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 On Wed, 5 Nov 2025 09:04:07 +0000, The Todal  
 wrote: 
  
 >On 05/11/2025 07:07, Martin Harran wrote: 
 >> On Tue, 4 Nov 2025 19:12:07 +0000, The Todal  
 >> wrote: 
 >> 
 >>> On 04/11/2025 16:08, Martin Harran wrote: 
 >>>> On Tue, 4 Nov 2025 13:41:32 +0000, JNugent  wrote: 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> On 04/11/2025 10:40 am, Martin Harran wrote: 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>> The Todal  
 >>>>>> wrote: 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> [...] 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> what was Andrew's especially heinous action? Seemingly, continuing 
 his 
 >>>>>>> friendship with a convicted sex predator. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> *continuing* seems the most significant part of this. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> I don't see why any of us should cast off friends who fall foul either 
 >>>>> of the law or of public opinion. 
 >>>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>> As a Christian, I certainly believe in forgiving those who do wrong 
 >>>> provided that they face up to their wrongs and commit themselves to 
 >>>> stopping the behaviour. Feel free to point out where Epstein showed 
 >>>> any of that. 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> At such times, they may need friends more than ever. 
 >>>> 
 >>> 
 >>> I suppose a valid comparison would be Lord Longford and his support for 
 >>> Myra Hindley, which made him very unpopular. He believed she was capable 
 >>> of repentance and redemption, prayed with her, regularly campaigned for 
 >>> her to be released - and Andrew never went that far in his "support" of 
 >>> Epstein. I should think Hindley committed herself to stopping her 
 >>> behaviour, ie to stop kidnapping children from the streets to be abused 
 >>> by her or her partner. Was there ever anything that she could have said 
 >>> to get public support for her release from prison? 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> Whether or not you agree with Longford, it was always abundantly clear 
 >> that his relationship with Hindley was based on Christian compassion 
 >> and a desire to rehabilitate Hindley - there was never any question of 
 >> personal gain benefit for him. Have you any evidence that the same 
 >> applies to Andrew? 
 >> 
 > 
 >I admire Longford for defying the tabloids and doing what he believed 
 >was morally right and consistent with his Christian beliefs. And my 
 >admiration for him is partly because our Home Secretaries bowed to the 
 >demands of the tabloid press and ordered that Hindley remain in prison 
 >without hope of parole even though the trial judge was more compassionate. 
 > 
 >I think for most ordinary people, friendship means supporting each other 
 >in times of trouble. 
  
 I'd imagine that largely depends on the nature of the trouble and the 
 attitude of the person in trouble when their own misbehaviour has 
 caused it. 
  
  
 >It is said that after Lord Lucan murdered his nanny 
 >his friends rallied round and may have facilitated his escape. I don't 
 >suppose they did so on a purely mercenary basis. Maggie Thatcher was 
 >loyal to the brutal General Pinochet. Quote. While he was under house 
 >arrest in Surrey in 1999, the former Chilean military dictator Augusto 
 >Pinochet received a fine malt from an old friend. “Scotch is one British 
 >institution that will never let you down,” read the accompanying note 
 >from its sender: the former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher. 
  
 For some reason, I don't find either of those examples particularly 
 inspiring. 
  
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