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 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Virginia Giuffre was a victim of sexual abuse long before she met 
 >>>>> Epstein, and she was therefore vulnerable and susceptible to 
 >>>>> manipulation. But very well rewarded financially by Epstein. Many women 
 >>>>> would regard her as a very underserving recipient of royal 
 compensation. 
 >>>>> She was, objectively, a prostitute. It is said that she recruited other 
 >>>>> girls into the fold. Can she be absolved of all responsibility? 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> But the main point of all this is, she was a victim of Epstein and 
 >>>>> Maxwell, not of Andrew Mountbottom-Windsor.  From his point of view, 
 she 
 >>>>> was a friendly, smiling young prostitute provided by his good rich 
 >>>>> friend, and Andrew didn't groom her or share her with his friends, he 
 >>>>> merely had a few quick fucks. So I cannot see that Andrew is to blame 
 >>>>> for what befell Epstein's victims. What else can we blame him for? The 
 >>>>> months or years of continuing contact with Epstein after Epstein was 
 >>>>> convicted. I don't see that as a big deal. He did not manipulate the 
 >>>>> justice system in the way that Trump does. Or campaign openly for his 
 >>>>> friend. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Well said. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Are we all obliged in some unspoken way to sever contact with friends 
 >>>> who have fallen foul of the law, a situation which must arise many times 
 >>>> per day across a population such as the UK or the USA? 
 >>>> 
 >>>> If we do sever contact and treat (former) friends with hateful disdain, 
 >>>> why are we doing it? 
 >>>> 
 >>>> As part of their punishment? To make ourselves feel somehow worthy? To 
 >>>> virtue-signal to others? 
 >>> 
 >>> Is your tolerance at all subjective like most people; would you 
 >>> maintain your friendship, for example, with a pedophile who was 
 >>> convicted of having sex with infant children?. 
 >>> 
 >> 
 >> How about a more commonplace example: friendship with a good friend or 
 >> family member who was in trouble with the police for downloading 
 >> indecent photographs of children? And who was in huge distress because 
 >> it meant the end of his marriage and his career and his contact with his 
 >> children, and a likely prison sentence? 
 >> 
 >> Would your friendship be wholly dependent on hearing a form of words 
 >>from him that satisfied you that he repented of his actions? 
 > 
 > First and foremost, I would want to be certain that he is no longer a 
 > threat to children. 
  
 You could only be "certain" of that if he were in prison with a whole 
 life tariff (which is probably unlikely in the described circumstances). 
  
 What, short of that, and given the known facts about the sexual 
 imperative, would satisfy you? 
  
 And what if the person concerned was your son? Would you ever feel able 
 to sever all ties? *I* wouldn't. 
  
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