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 >>>> Virginia Giuffre was a victim of sexual abuse long before she met 
 >>>> Epstein, and she was therefore vulnerable and susceptible to 
 >>>> manipulation. But very well rewarded financially by Epstein. Many women 
 >>>> would regard her as a very underserving recipient of royal 
 >>>> compensation. 
 >>>> She was, objectively, a prostitute. It is said that she recruited other 
 >>>> girls into the fold. Can she be absolved of all responsibility? 
 >>>> 
 >>>> But the main point of all this is, she was a victim of Epstein and 
 >>>> Maxwell, not of Andrew Mountbottom-Windsor.  From his point of view, 
 >>>> she 
 >>>> was a friendly, smiling young prostitute provided by his good rich 
 >>>> friend, and Andrew didn't groom her or share her with his friends, he 
 >>>> merely had a few quick fucks. So I cannot see that Andrew is to blame 
 >>>> for what befell Epstein's victims. What else can we blame him for? The 
 >>>> months or years of continuing contact with Epstein after Epstein was 
 >>>> convicted. I don't see that as a big deal. He did not manipulate the 
 >>>> justice system in the way that Trump does. Or campaign openly for his 
 >>>> friend. 
 >>> 
 >>> Well said. 
 >>> 
 >>> Are we all obliged in some unspoken way to sever contact with friends 
 >>> who have fallen foul of the law, a situation which must arise many times 
 >>> per day across a population such as the UK or the USA? 
 >>> 
 >>> If we do sever contact and treat (former) friends with hateful disdain, 
 >>> why are we doing it? 
 >>> 
 >>> As part of their punishment? To make ourselves feel somehow worthy? To 
 >>> virtue-signal to others? 
 >> 
 >> Is your tolerance at all subjective like most people; would you 
 >> maintain your friendship, for example, with a pedophile who was 
 >> convicted of having sex with infant children?. 
 >> 
 > 
 > How about a more commonplace example: friendship with a good friend or 
 > family member who was in trouble with the police for downloading 
 > indecent photographs of children? And who was in huge distress because 
 > it meant the end of his marriage and his career and his contact with his 
 > children, and a likely prison sentence? 
 > 
 > Would your friendship be wholly dependent on hearing a form of words 
 > from him that satisfied you that he repented of his actions? 
  
 Good answer. 
  
 Better than mine was. 
  
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