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 On 05/11/2025 07:15, Martin Harran wrote: 
 > On Mon, 3 Nov 2025 11:49:10 +0000, The Todal  
 > wrote: 
 > 
 >> On 03/11/2025 06:18, Norman Wells wrote: 
 > 
 > 
 > [...] 
 > 
 >> He is experiencing very public disgrace and being virtually ostracised 
 >> by his family. 
 >> 
 >> Obviously he will feel shame. Wouldn't you? He knows, and any friends of 
 >> his will know, that there is absolutely nothing he can now say to make 
 >> his situation any better. He may have said it in private to his family, 
 >> but imagine if you can what the reaction would be if he issued a 
 >> statement saying: "I did have sexual relations with That Woman. I was 
 >> sure at the time that she was willing and keen to have sex, and I was 
 >> sure that she was not underage in the laws of the particular US State 
 >> where this happened". 
 >> 
 >> I think it would invite even more ridicule. 
 > 
 > People are generally more forgiving than you seem to think. If Andrew 
 > had admitted to being a total prick (no pun intended) and expressed 
 > regret for what he did, I think there would have been a lot less 
 > mob-rule. The real start of his downfall wasn't Virginia Giuffre's 
 > accusations, it was his disastrous Newsnight interview. 
  
 There was a Panorama programme last night, worth watching on catch-up. 
 It contained an interview with Virginia Giuffre from 2019 which was 
 widely shown at that time. 
  
 She claims that Andrew abused her - implying that he was in some way 
 brutal or sexually deviant, and of course her interviewer didn't think 
 it polite to question her. 
  
 In her now-released autobiography her story is rather different. Plain, 
 quick, vanilla sex three times, some foot-sucking by him (maybe Andrew 
 learned that from Fergie), hardly worth mentioning in the context of the 
 violent abuse from her own father, a family friend, Epstein and other 
 rich millionnaires. 
  
 She is/was dishonest, and has been hugely over-compensated by a 
 badly-advised Royal Family who presumably hoped to shut her up with 
 plenty of cash. That, if you like, was immoral behaviour by the Queen. 
  
  
 > 
 >> 
 >> Or perhaps "I admit that after Epstein was convicted I did reach out to 
 >> him in friendship. That's what is commonly done in the circles that I 
 >> mixed with. I didn't encourage any law breaking on his part at any time 
 >> and I now see that reaching out to him was the wrong thing to do. I 
 >> never had the sort of public relations team that Presidents and Prime 
 >> Minister and Kings have access to". 
 > 
 > Ditto 
  
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