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 On 05/11/2025 09:02, Norman Wells wrote: 
 > The Todal  Wrote in message:r 
 >> On 04/11/2025 16:30, Norman Wells wrote:> The Todal  Wrote in message: 
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 >>>    > He is experiencing very public disgrace and being virtually> 
 ostracised by his family. Obviously he will feel shame. Wouldn't  you? 
 > 
 >>> For what exactly?  Why do you seem so reluctant to be specific? 
 > 
 >> I think this may be a question of semantics.If you were stripped naked, 
 placed in the stocks in your town and everyone came to jeer at you and 
 throw rotten vegetables at you, I think what you would be experiencing 
 would be "shame". What other word can 
 you think would be more appropriate? Or has your imagination failed you? 
 > 
 > It rather depends on whether I'd done anything illegal.  If not, 
 >   I'd be angry and resentful.  As I think anyone would. 
 > 
 > Do please say specifically what he is supposed to have done that 
 >   warrants the supposedly shameful punishment that has been meted 
 >   out to him.  Don't be shy any more. 
  
 And again, I think you are looking through the wrong end of the telescope. 
  
 Shame is what a person experiences when they are humiliated by the world 
 - even if that humiliation is undeserved, as I believe Andrew's probably 
 is.  Thus, the postmasters convicted of theft from the post office felt 
 shame and public humiliation even though they knew they had done nothing 
 wrong. 
  
 In the rather disgraceful Panorama programme last night, only one good 
 friend of Andrew's, Lady Victoria Hervey, courageously spoke up for him 
 in an interview. A series of other well known faces including the awful 
 Dame Margaret Hodge told us that Andrew was in their opinion rude, vain, 
 extravagant, stupid, fully deserving of his fate. Panorama was a 
 hatchet-job to reassure us that Andrew deserves his humiliation and that 
 in the whole world he only has one friend, the supposedly gullible Lady 
 Victoria. 
  
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