From: the_todal@icloud.com 
  
 On 11/08/2025 18:01, Jon Ribbens wrote: 
 > On 2025-08-11, The Todal  wrote: 
 >> On 10/08/2025 22:44, Jon Ribbens wrote: 
 >>> On 2025-08-10, Pancho  wrote: 
 >>>> A negative comparison, like the Nazi comparison, is often used in the 
 >>>> sense of a cautionary tale. What might happen, rather than what 
 >>>> already is. 
 >>> 
 >>> Ok, but there are obvious reasons why comparing the actions of the 
 >>> Jewish nation to those of the Nazis brings up specific sensitivities. 
 >>> You'd need a much better justification than "but maybe they might do 
 >>> something in the future" for it not to be utterly unreasonable and, 
 >>> well, quite plausibly antisemitic. 
 >> 
 >> I don't quite understand the point you are making. You say "specific 
 >> sensitivities" meaning, perhaps, that to compare Israel with Nazi 
 >> Germany is especially hurtful to all Israelis, maybe to all Jews. 
 > 
 > I'm saying that comparing Jews, which therefore of course includes most 
 > Israelis, to Nazis is inherently incredibly tactless due for the obvious 
 > reason of the events of 1941-1945, and so it had better have some pretty 
 > bloody good justification if it is done. e.g. Ken Livingstone comparing 
 > a Jewish reporter to a concentration camp guard caused a great deal of 
 > kerfuffle and for good reason. 
 I don't think anyone needs to be "tactful" towards Israel. Any British 
 Jew who claims to have suffered some form of PTSD or grief reaction as a 
 result of Israel being compared to Nazi Germany, is unworthy of support 
 or consideration. Either bonkers, or a fraud. 
  
 Those of us, and there are quite a lot of us, who actually do have 
 families who were persecuted by the Nazis and whose family members were 
 murdered by Nazis, do not find it "tactless" to compare any nation with 
 Nazi Germany and do not argue in favour of a special exemption for 
 Israel. Either the comparison is valid or it isn't. But it doesn't hurt 
 our feelings. 
  
 I don't think it's at all the same as misgendering a trans or binary 
 person. That's tactless and unnecessary and can no doubt cause real 
 pain. There is such a thing as being too tactful, too protective of 
 cultural sensitivity. Thus, if Asian shopkeepers are grooming underage 
 white girls, let's not call it tactless to say that they are Asian and 
 they need to be brought to justice. 
  
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