From: JNugent73@mail.com 
  
 On 11/08/2025 10:10 AM, billy bookcase wrote: 
 > "Norman Wells"  wrote in message 
 > news:mfsk9uFtn3pU1@mid.individual.net... 
 >> On 10/08/2025 22:15, billy bookcase wrote: 
 >>> "The Todal"  wrote in message 
 >>> news:mfsc9uFs6deU3@mid.individual.net... 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>>> Yvette Cooper thanked police for their work handling Palestine rights 
 protests across 
 >>>> the UK on Saturday, saying there had been a "very small number of people 
 whose 
 >>>> actions 
 >>>> crossed the line into criminality". 
 >>>> 
 >>>> unquote 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Which implies that many people were arrested for actions that didn't 
 cross the line 
 >>>> into criminality. 
 >>> 
 >>> Which also clearly indicates that the Home Secretary is quite willing to 
 >>> prejudge issues of criminality;  which formerly were the sole province of 
 >>> the Courts to decide 
 >> 
 >> Which of course they will in due course, if any charges are actually 
 brought. 
 >> 
 >> There is very little doubt that the vast majority at least of those 
 arrested were 
 >> strictly breaking the law which says: 
 >> 
 >> "A person commits an offence if the person- 
 >> 
 >> (a) expresses an opinion or belief that is supportive of a proscribed 
 organisation, and 
 >> 
 >> (b) in doing so is reckless as to whether a person to whom the expression 
 is directed 
 >> will be encouraged to support a proscribed organisation." 
 >> 
 >> The law is framed in such a way that it encompasses holding a placard 
 expressing 
 >> support of Palestine Action, which the many arrested 'terrorist offenders' 
 did directly 
 >> and deliberately. 
 > 
 > The Law is also framed in such a way that unless those facts are 
 established 
 > in a Court of Law, and not just in the Home Secretary's head, then no 
 criminal 
 > offence has in fact (sic) been committed. 
  
 But reasonable suspicion is all that is necessary for an arrest. 
  
 We would be in a sorry state if it were different. 
 > 
 > As both Fred West and Jimmy Savile would doubtless be among the first to 
 > point out; had they not already left the building. 
  
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