From: JNugent73@mail.com 
  
 On 11/08/2025 10:15 AM, billy bookcase wrote: 
 > "JNugent"  wrote in message news:mfsj8mFte 
 tU1@mid.individual.net... 
 >> On 10/08/2025 10:15 PM, billy bookcase wrote: 
 >>> "The Todal"  wrote in message 
 >>> news:mfsc9uFs6deU3@mid.individual.net... 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>>> Yvette Cooper thanked police for their work handling Palestine rights 
 protests across 
 >>>> the UK on Saturday, saying there had been a "very small number of people 
 whose 
 >>>> actions 
 >>>> crossed the line into criminality". 
 >>>> 
 >>>> unquote 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Which implies that many people were arrested for actions that didn't 
 cross the line 
 >>>> into criminality. 
 >>> 
 >>> Which also clearly indicates that the Home Secretary is quite willing to 
 >>> prejudge issues of criminality;  which formerly were the sole province of 
 >>> the Courts to decide 
 >> 
 >> The police do have a bit of a role in it too. 
 >> 
 >> The formal model is that only people who can reasonably be expected of 
 having committed 
 >> an offence may be arrested. So an on the spot  judgment is called for. 
 > 
 > People are arrested, and then subsequently charged, on "suspicion" of 
 having 
 > committed an offence. 
 > 
 > Usually on quite reasonable suspicion.* 
  
 Sorry: MY typo. 
  
 Why I used "expected" rather than "suspected", I cannot explain. But 
 "suspected" was what I meant. 
 > 
 > Nevertheless it still remains for the police, via the CPS and prosecuting 
 > counsel to subsequently demonstrate in Court, to the satisfaction of a 
 > Magistrate or of a Jury, that their suspicions were indeed correct 
 > 
 > * Sufficient to return an 83% conviction rate in 2024. Discounting the 
 > possibility of deliberate fit-ups, miscarriages of justice; and in 
 > some cases undercover policemen acting as agents provocateur, 
  
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