From: JNugent73@mail.com 
  
 On 11/08/2025 06:48 PM, Max Demian wrote: 
 > On 10/08/2025 15:56, JNugent wrote: 
 >> On 10/08/2025 12:30 PM, Max Demian wrote: 
 >>> On 09/08/2025 17:02, JNugent wrote: 
 >>>> On 07/08/2025 05:16 PM, Max Demian wrote: 
 >>>>> On 07/08/2025 01:02, JNugent wrote: 
 >>>>>> On 06/08/2025 07:02 PM, billy bookcase wrote: 
 >>>>>>> "JNugent"  wrote: 
 >>>>>>>> billy bookcase wrote: 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> Many Israeli citizens are in fact expatriate Americans 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> Just like the USA Israel is mainly composed of immigrants 
 >>>>>>>>> With the Palestinians the equivalent of Native Americans. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> thirdly. While the ill treatment of the Jews never figured as 
 >>>>>>>>> grounds for 
 >>>>>>>>> going to war with Germany,  after the war was won, the 
 >>>>>>>>> discovery and 
 >>>>>>>>> ending of the Holocaust - assuming there were that many Jewish 
 >>>>>>>>> people 
 >>>>>>>>> left to murder 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> Channeling Dogberry? 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> Would you care to elaborate please ? 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> Of course, after I apologise for the typo in the spelling of 
 >>>>>> "channelling" (I inadvertently used the American variant). 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> Dogberry is a constable in Shakespeare's play "Much Ado About 
 >>>>>> Nothing", though I am sure I didn't need to tell that to a man of 
 >>>>>> your 
 >>>>>> literary achievements. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> He is an early analogue to Mrs Malaprop (a character in Sheridan's 
 >>>>>> "the Rivals", though you already knew that too) who continually 
 >>>>>> mistakes in using words which sound vaguely similar to the words she 
 >>>>>> actually wanted. Dogberry does the same, repeatedly, but there is a 
 >>>>>> particular line wherein he gets his numerical order of thought wrong: 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> "DOGBERRY: 
 >>>>>> First, I ask thee what they have done; thirdly, I ask thee what's 
 >>>>>> their offence; sixth and lastly, why they are committed; and, to 
 >>>>>> conclude, what you lay to their charge." 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> [Much Ado, Act III, Scene V] 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> Pretty good, isn't it? ;-) 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> I assumed you were making a humorous and even witty reference to the 
 >>>>>> constable by omitting your second bullet point, moving straight from 
 >>>>>> "in the first place" to "thirdly". 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> That IS what you were doing, isn't it? 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> Anyway thank you for giving me the opportunity to mention the 
 >>>>>>> Fourth 
 >>>>>>> and Fifth imporant reasons for the US's *continuing* support of 
 >>>>>>> Israel 
 >>>>>>> down the years. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> Which I'd somehow failed to mention. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> More Dogberry? 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> That's a rather obscure literary reference. I thought you were talking 
 >>>>> about Dogbert, Dilbert's dog. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Shakespeare... obscure? :-) 
 >>> 
 >>> Not everything he wrote is well known. 
 >> 
 >> Ooh... that very much... er... sort of... depends. 
 >> 
 >> And "Much Ado..." is one of his more frequently-performed works. 
 > 
 > It's nothing to do with how often a play is performed, it's a matter of 
 > which "sound bites" are well known. "To be or not to be"; "A horse, a 
 > horse, my kingdom for a horse." And lots of sayings that come from 
 > Shakespeare without most people knowing (or caring) like "salad days" 
 > and lots of others. 
 > 
 > -- 
 > Max Demian 
  
 Dogberry is the original character for malapropisms. Sheridan, I am 
 sure, must have used him as a model for his character in "The Rivals". 
  
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