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  Msg # 12640 of 12850 on ZZUK4448, Tuesday 8-11-25, 7:48  
  From: BILLY BOOKCASE  
  To: NORMAN WELLS  
  Subj: Re: Palestine Action Arrests  
 From: billy@anon.com 
  
 "Norman Wells"  wrote in message 
 news:mfu4atF6g4dU2@mid.individual.net... 
 > On 11/08/2025 10:10, billy bookcase wrote: 
 >> "Norman Wells"  wrote in message 
 >> news:mfsk9uFtn3pU1@mid.individual.net... 
 >>> On 10/08/2025 22:15, billy bookcase wrote: 
 >>>> "The Todal"  wrote in message 
 >>>> news:mfsc9uFs6deU3@mid.individual.net... 
 >>>> 
 >>>> 
 >>>>> Yvette Cooper thanked police for their work handling Palestine rights 
 protests 
 >>>>> across 
 >>>>> the UK on Saturday, saying there had been a "very small number of 
 people 
 whose 
 >>>>> actions 
 >>>>> crossed the line into criminality". 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> unquote 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Which implies that many people were arrested for actions that didn't 
 cross the line 
 >>>>> into criminality. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Which also clearly indicates that the Home Secretary is quite willing to 
 >>>> prejudge issues of criminality;  which formerly were the sole province 
 of 
 >>>> the Courts to decide 
 >>> 
 >>> Which of course they will in due course, if any charges are actually 
 brought. 
 >>> 
 >>> There is very little doubt that the vast majority at least of those 
 arrested were 
 >>> strictly breaking the law which says: 
 >>> 
 >>> "A person commits an offence if the person- 
 >>> 
 >>> (a) expresses an opinion or belief that is supportive of a proscribed 
 organisation, 
 >>> and 
 >>> 
 >>> (b) in doing so is reckless as to whether a person to whom the expression 
 is directed 
 >>> will be encouraged to support a proscribed organisation." 
 >>> 
 >>> The law is framed in such a way that it encompasses holding a placard 
 expressing 
 >>> support of Palestine Action, which the many arrested 'terrorist 
 offenders' 
 did 
 >>> directly 
 >>> and deliberately. 
 >> 
 >> The Law is also framed in such a way that unless those facts are 
 established 
 >> in a Court of Law, and not just in the Home Secretary's head, then no 
 criminal 
 >> offence has in fact (sic) been committed. 
 > 
 > Hard to see what sort of defence can be mustered in the circumstances. 
  
 Which is presumably why you're finding it so hard to find clients 
  
  
 bb. 
  
  
  
 > 
 > 
  
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