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  Msg # 12639 of 12811 on ZZUK4448, Tuesday 8-11-25, 7:48  
  From: NORMAN WELLS  
  To: ROGER HAYTER  
  Subj: Re: Palestine Action Arrests  
 From: hex@unseen.ac.am 
  
 On 11/08/2025 13:00, Roger Hayter wrote: 
 > On 11 Aug 2025 at 12:06:21 BST, "GB"  wrote: 
 > 
 >> On 10/08/2025 23:43, Roger Hayter wrote: 
 >> 
 >>> Clearly it does not so believe. It has not repealed any of the laws 
 >>> restricting protest passed by the last government. Both Tweedledee and 
 >>> Tweedledum are taking advantage of widespread dislike of sanctimonious 
 climate 
 >>> protesters to greatly restrict our free speech and protest about issues 
 that 
 >>> may actually be important. 
 >> 
 >> Was anyone arrested for protesting about Palestine? 
 >> 
 >> Does anyone care very much about the proscribed group Palestine Action? 
 >> A group of protesters who destroyed aircraft on the flimsiest of 
 >> pretexts. I bet that most of the people arrested were completely 
 >> muddle-headed about what they were doing. 
 > 
 > Which is serious, perhaps treasonous, criminal damage. But it simply 
 doesn't 
 > meet the criteria for terrorism - the essence of which is striking civilian 
 > targets to demoralise populations. Not military actions. 
  
 Well, unfortunately, *your* criteria which have just emerged onto this 
 platform from inside your head don't coincide with those in the 
 Terrorism Act which is rather more important and relevant. 
  
 That says: 
  
 "(1) In this Act €€€terrorism€€€ means the use or threat of action where€€€ 
  
     (a) the action falls within subsection (2), 
  
     (b) the use or threat is designed to influence the government or an 
 international governmental organisation or to intimidate the public or a 
 section of the public, and 
  
     (c) the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a 
 political, religious [F2, racial] or ideological cause. 
  
 (2) Action falls within this subsection if it€€€ 
  
     (a) involves serious violence against a person, 
  
     (b) involves serious damage to property, 
  
     (c) endangers a person€€€s life, other than that of the person 
 committing the action, 
  
     (d) creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or 
 a section of the public, or 
  
     (e) is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt 
 an electronic system." 
  
 How do you maintain that what was done to the planes was *not* terrorism 
 as you have concluded? 
  
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  * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2) 

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