From: JNugent73@mail.com 
  
 On 15/08/2025 12:42 PM, Max Demian wrote: 
  
 > On 14/08/2025 21:59, JNugent wrote: 
 >> On 14/08/2025 04:25 PM, The Todal wrote: 
 >>> On 14/08/2025 15:17, JNugent wrote: 
 >>>> On 12/08/2025 04:43 PM, JNugent wrote: 
 > 
 >>>>> As you were well aware, the reference was to the post-1945 settlement 
 >>>>> with Poland possessing a large part of what had been Germany and the 
 >>>>> Soviet Union possessing another large part (though smaller than the 
 >>>>> portion subsumed into Poland). 
 > 
 >>>>> Was / is that acceptable? 
 >>>>> It's a straightforward enough question, well capable of a "Yes" or 
 >>>>> "No" answer. 
 >>>>> Or, one supposes, an "I don't know" answer. 
 > 
 >>>> I wonder whether an answer to that is going to appear? 
 > 
 >>>> Or perhaps someone has realised the obvious implications of any answer 
 >>>> of "Yes" or "No"? 
 > 
 >>> Or perhaps nobody cares very much or nobody is reading this thread now. 
 >>> So why not answer your question yourself? 
 > 
 >> I'm in two minds about it. I'm still not sure that the accommodations 
 >> with the Soviet Union accepted by Roosevelt (later, Truman) and 
 >> Churchill (later Attlee) were proper. 
 > 
 > The four victors of WW2 (UK, US, France, Russia) were left with the 
 > spoils of war. Each administered their parts according to their 
 > preferred ideologies: democracy or communism. 
 >> Eastern Europe was not theirs to give away to Stalin, yet that's what 
 >> they did. Ironic that the UK went to war over Poland but left Poland 
 >> completely in the hands of one of the two 1939 invaders until 1989/90. 
 > 
 > Russia didn't invade Poland, Germany did. 
  
 Bzzzt! 
  
 Wrong! 
  
  
  
 QUOTE: 
 On 17 September 1939, the Soviet Union invaded Poland from the east, 16 
 days after Nazi Germany invaded Poland from the west. Subsequent 
 military operations lasted for the following 20 days and ended on 6 
 October 1939 with the two-way division and annexation of the entire 
 territory of the Second Polish Republic by Nazi Germany and the Soviet 
 Union. This division is sometimes called the Fourth Partition of Poland. 
 The Soviet (as well as German) invasion of Poland was indirectly 
 indicated in the "secret protocol" of the Molotov€€€Ribbentrop Pact signed 
 on 23 August 1939, which divided Poland into "spheres of influence" of 
 the two powers. German and Soviet cooperation in the invasion of Poland 
 has been described as co-belligerence. 
 ENDQUOTE 
  
 >> If the freedom of Poland wasn't all that important to the UK in the 
 >> forst place, one wonders whether the war could really have been worth 
 >> it. Just imagine a world where WW2 hadn't happened. 
 > 
 > No nukes for a start. A lot less militaristic. No holocaust (probably). 
 > I'm sure that the Nazis would have mellowed in time. Look at all the 
 > extremism we have today. WW2 didn't eliminate that. 
  
 All plausible. 
  
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