XPost: uk.politics.misc 
 From: pamela.uklegal@gmail.com 
  
 On 02:04  14 Jul 2019, JNugent  wrote: 
  
 > On 14/07/2019 00:10, Fredxx wrote: 
 > 
 > [ ... ] 
 > 
 >> If we have a benefit system that discourages work, then so be it. The 
 >> pension is perhaps the best example. Means testing is the next worst 
 >> method of discouraging work. 
 >> 
 >> Only an idiot would clean toilets for peanuts if they could stay at home 
 >> for the same money. Only an idiot who can't see further than the length 
 >> of their arm would suggest otherwise. 
 > 
 > For anyone whose best bet for earning money is cleaning toilets, 
 > out-of-work benefits have to be set at a rate LOWER then the wages for 
 > cleaning toilets. 
 > 
 > Now come on... that's not difficult. 
  
 I wonder why Fredxx thinks the only manual labour is cleaning toilets. 
 There's fruit picking, road sweeping and plenty of others which pay more 
 than 
 state benefits for those who put in a full week. 
  
 Foreigners who come tyo the UK often actually do these jobs and don't go on 
 the dole.  That's where lazy Brits can be found -- their usual excuse is 
 some 
 sort of disability of a kind which can't be checked. 
  
 Your observation that a lower benefits rate than for cleaning toilets makes 
 sense. 
  
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