XPost: uk.radio.amateur, uk.politics.misc, uk.d-i-y 
 From: abelard3@abelard.org 
  
 On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:33:19 +0100, Keema's Nan 
  wrote: 
  
 >On 14 Oct 2019, The Todal wrote 
 >(in article ): 
 > 
 >> On 14/10/2019 15:14, tim... wrote: 
 >> > 
 >> > 
 >> > "The Todal"   wrote in message 
 >> > news:h0jbdqF3ed1U1@mid.individual.net... 
 >> > > On 14/10/2019 13:52, Incubus wrote: 
 >> > > > On 2019-10-14, The Natural Philosopher  wrote: 
 >> > > > > On 14/10/2019 11:36, Incubus wrote: 
 >> > > > > > On 2019-10-14, The Todal  wrote: 
 >> > > > > > > On 14/10/2019 10:54, Incubus wrote: 
 >> > > > > > > > On 2019-10-13, nightjar  wrote: 
 >> > > > > > > > > On 13/10/2019 16:43, tim... wrote: 
 >> > > > > > > > > > 
 >> > > > > > > > > > 
 >> > > > > > > > > > "nightjar"   wrote in message 
 >> > > > > > > > > > news:YMCdnZDnRYaYlT7AnZ2dnUU78I_NnZ2d@giganews.com... 
 >> > > > > > > > > ... 
 >> > > > > > > > > > > Of greater influence are probably dissatisfaction with 
 the 
 >> > > > > > > > > > > mess that 
 >> > > > > > > > > > > the Brexiteers have made of the process so far 
 >> > > > > > > > > > 
 >> > > > > > > > > > ITYF it was a Remainer who made a mess of the process 
 >> > > > > > > > > 
 >> > > > > > > > > Mrs May achieved a reasonable deal that the EU could live 
 with. 
 >> > > > > > > > > It was 
 >> > > > > > > > > the extreme Brexiteers who stopped that deal getting 
 through 
 >> > > > > > > > > parliament. 
 >> > > > > > > > 
 >> > > > > > > > The deal was an absolute turd but you will find that 
 Remainers in 
 >> > > > > > > > Parliament 
 >> > > > > > > > also voted it down. 
 >> > > > > > > 
 >> > > > > > > The deal was actually an excellent one, and it is still the 
 only 
 >> > > > > > > alternative to a no-deal and there's certainly a chance that 
 MPs will 
 >> > > > > > > approve it now they realise that it's this deal or no deal. 
 >> > > > > > 
 >> > > > > > If you think the deal was excellent then you haven't understood 
 it. 
 >> > > > > Or alternatively he realises it is even better than being in the 
 EU, 
 >> > > > > for 
 >> > > > > the EU, and hates Britain enough to think that is good. 
 >> > > > > 
 >> > > > > > > So "absolute turd"? Will you feel betrayed? Will you march on 
 the 
 >> > > > > > > streets to demand that Boris resigns, after we leave the EU 
 with 
 >> > > > > > > Theresa 
 >> > > > > > > May's deal? 
 >> > > > > > > 
 >> > > > > > > Honestly? 
 >> > > > > > 
 >> > > > > > It depends on what is renegotiated. The most dangerous aspect 
 was 
 the 
 >> > > > > > "backstop". 
 >> > > > > The backstop meant 'you can never leave' 
 >> > > > 
 >> > > > You have read it and understood it. As you said, either Todal hasn't 
 >> > > > or he 
 >> > > > has and wants the EU to remain as overlords for perpetuity. 
 >> > > 
 >> > > Neither of you has understood it. The backstop means that once you 
 >> > > have devised a technological solution to regulating the border without 
 >> > > having a hard border, 
 >> > 
 >> > No 
 >> > 
 >> > it's once the EU have agreed that we have done the above 
 >> > 
 >> > and if they continue to say "not good enough" as they have so far said 
 >> > all along to our ideas of a technological border, we are fucked 
 >> 
 >> It might never be good enough. In which case we opt for Plan B and 
 >> repudiate the backstop and take whatever consequences follow, which 
 >> might include a renewed, enthusiastic bombing campaign from the Irish 
 >> terrorists. 
 > 
 >Then the Irish terrorists go to prison. 
  
 toady is a democrat.he'd never send them to prison 
  
 it would infringe their self-expression or sommat 
  
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