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 From: the_todal@icloud.com 
  
 On 14/10/2019 16:33, Keema's Nan wrote: 
 > On 14 Oct 2019, The Todal wrote 
 > (in article ): 
 > 
 >> On 14/10/2019 15:14, tim... wrote: 
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>> "The Todal"   wrote in message 
 >>> news:h0jbdqF3ed1U1@mid.individual.net... 
 >>>> On 14/10/2019 13:52, Incubus wrote: 
 >>>>> On 2019-10-14, The Natural Philosopher  wrote: 
 >>>>>> On 14/10/2019 11:36, Incubus wrote: 
 >>>>>>> On 2019-10-14, The Todal  wrote: 
 >>>>>>>> On 14/10/2019 10:54, Incubus wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>> On 2019-10-13, nightjar  wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2019 16:43, tim... wrote: 
 >>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>> "nightjar"   wrote in message 
 >>>>>>>>>>> news:YMCdnZDnRYaYlT7AnZ2dnUU78I_NnZ2d@giganews.com... 
 >>>>>>>>>> ... 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> Of greater influence are probably dissatisfaction with the 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> mess that 
 >>>>>>>>>>>> the Brexiteers have made of the process so far 
 >>>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>>> ITYF it was a Remainer who made a mess of the process 
 >>>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>>> Mrs May achieved a reasonable deal that the EU could live with. 
 >>>>>>>>>> It was 
 >>>>>>>>>> the extreme Brexiteers who stopped that deal getting through 
 >>>>>>>>>> parliament. 
 >>>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>>> The deal was an absolute turd but you will find that Remainers in 
 >>>>>>>>> Parliament 
 >>>>>>>>> also voted it down. 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> The deal was actually an excellent one, and it is still the only 
 >>>>>>>> alternative to a no-deal and there's certainly a chance that MPs 
 will 
 >>>>>>>> approve it now they realise that it's this deal or no deal. 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> If you think the deal was excellent then you haven't understood it. 
 >>>>>> Or alternatively he realises it is even better than being in the EU, 
 >>>>>> for 
 >>>>>> the EU, and hates Britain enough to think that is good. 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> So "absolute turd"? Will you feel betrayed? Will you march on the 
 >>>>>>>> streets to demand that Boris resigns, after we leave the EU with 
 >>>>>>>> Theresa 
 >>>>>>>> May's deal? 
 >>>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>>> Honestly? 
 >>>>>>> 
 >>>>>>> It depends on what is renegotiated. The most dangerous aspect was the 
 >>>>>>> "backstop". 
 >>>>>> The backstop meant 'you can never leave' 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> You have read it and understood it. As you said, either Todal hasn't 
 >>>>> or he 
 >>>>> has and wants the EU to remain as overlords for perpetuity. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> Neither of you has understood it. The backstop means that once you 
 >>>> have devised a technological solution to regulating the border without 
 >>>> having a hard border, 
 >>> 
 >>> No 
 >>> 
 >>> it's once the EU have agreed that we have done the above 
 >>> 
 >>> and if they continue to say "not good enough" as they have so far said 
 >>> all along to our ideas of a technological border, we are fucked 
 >> 
 >> It might never be good enough. In which case we opt for Plan B and 
 >> repudiate the backstop and take whatever consequences follow, which 
 >> might include a renewed, enthusiastic bombing campaign from the Irish 
 >> terrorists. 
 > 
 > Then the Irish terrorists go to prison. 
 > 
  
 We tried that. It never seemed to solve the problem, however many were 
 imprisoned. We tried Diplock courts which had no juries, to ensure that 
 the terrorists didn't get let off by sympathetic juries. We tried the 
 "H" blocks. We eventually opted for the Good Friday Agreement. 
  
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