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From: incubus9536612@gmail.com
On 2019-10-14, abelard wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 15:38:28 -0000 (UTC), Incubus
> wrote:
>
>>On 2019-10-14, The Todal wrote:
>>> On 14/10/2019 14:31, Incubus wrote:
>>>> On 2019-10-14, The Todal wrote:
>>>>> On 14/10/2019 13:52, Incubus wrote:
>>>>>> On 2019-10-14, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>>> On 14/10/2019 11:36, Incubus wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2019-10-14, The Todal wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 14/10/2019 10:54, Incubus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2019-10-13, nightjar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/10/2019 16:43, tim... wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "nightjar" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:YMCdnZDnRYaYlT7AnZ2dnUU78I_NnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of greater influence are probably dissatisfaction with the mess
that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Brexiteers have made of the process so far
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ITYF it was a Remainer who made a mess of the process
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mrs May achieved a reasonable deal that the EU could live with.
It
was
>>>>>>>>>>> the extreme Brexiteers who stopped that deal getting through
parliament.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The deal was an absolute turd but you will find that Remainers in
Parliament
>>>>>>>>>> also voted it down.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The deal was actually an excellent one, and it is still the only
>>>>>>>>> alternative to a no-deal and there's certainly a chance that MPs
will
>>>>>>>>> approve it now they realise that it's this deal or no deal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you think the deal was excellent then you haven't understood it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or alternatively he realises it is even better than being in the EU,
for
>>>>>>> the EU, and hates Britain enough to think that is good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So "absolute turd"? Will you feel betrayed? Will you march on the
>>>>>>>>> streets to demand that Boris resigns, after we leave the EU with
Theresa
>>>>>>>>> May's deal?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Honestly?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It depends on what is renegotiated. The most dangerous aspect was
the
>>>>>>>> "backstop".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The backstop meant 'you can never leave'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have read it and understood it. As you said, either Todal hasn't
or he
>>>>>> has and wants the EU to remain as overlords for perpetuity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Neither of you has understood it. The backstop means that once you have
>>>>> devised a technological solution to regulating the border without
having
>>>>> a hard border, the backstop will become irrelevant and the break from
>>>>> the EU will be complete.
>>>>
>>>> So you haven't properly read it then.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for clarifying.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Bluffing won't get you anywhere. You keep evading the question I've
>>> asked you. If the Theresa May withdrawal agreement is voted through the
>>> Commons and becomes law, will you accept it and move on with your life
>>> or will you spend your life whingeing and moaning that it was a BRINO
>>> and campaigning for a no-deal Brexit?
>>
>>It depends what the amendments are. If the backstop is removed or amended
so
>>that it doesn't negate the advantages of leaving for perpetuity and the
main
>>agreement altered to promote free trade without the serious drawbacks
currently
>>therein, I could accept it. I wouldn't accept it in its current form. I
think
>>I have made that clear.
>>
>>> A "let's wait and see" is the sort of evasion you condemn when it comes
>>> from the Labour Party.
>>
>>We don't know what the agreement will be after the current negotiations.
There
>>is nothing evasive about refusing to confirm support for something when we
>>don't know what it is. The clarification I have given you above is
something I
>>have previously stated.
>
> i'm unclear...are you calling him a liar, an idiot..or both>
I'm calling him a Momentum supporter.
I hope that clarifies :)
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