XPost: uk.radio.amateur, uk.politics.misc, uk.d-i-y 
 From: incubus9536612@gmail.com 
  
 On 2019-10-14, The Todal  wrote: 
 > On 14/10/2019 11:36, Incubus wrote: 
 >> On 2019-10-14, The Todal  wrote: 
 >>> On 14/10/2019 10:54, Incubus wrote: 
 >>>> On 2019-10-13, nightjar  wrote: 
 >>>>> On 13/10/2019 16:43, tim... wrote: 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> "nightjar"  wrote in message 
 >>>>>> news:YMCdnZDnRYaYlT7AnZ2dnUU78I_NnZ2d@giganews.com... 
 >>>>> ... 
 >>>>>>> Of greater influence are probably dissatisfaction with the mess that 
 >>>>>>> the Brexiteers have made of the process so far 
 >>>>>> 
 >>>>>> ITYF it was a Remainer who made a mess of the process 
 >>>>> 
 >>>>> Mrs May achieved a reasonable deal that the EU could live with. It was 
 >>>>> the extreme Brexiteers who stopped that deal getting through 
 parliament. 
 >>>> 
 >>>> The deal was an absolute turd but you will find that Remainers in 
 Parliament 
 >>>> also voted it down. 
 >>>> 
 >>> 
 >>> The deal was actually an excellent one, and it is still the only 
 >>> alternative to a no-deal and there's certainly a chance that MPs will 
 >>> approve it now they realise that it's this deal or no deal. 
 >> 
 >> If you think the deal was excellent then you haven't understood it. 
 > 
 > Er... if you think the deal was a turd, then you haven't understood it. 
 > 
 > I think we've all understood it. It was a carefully crafted deal which 
 > offered a sensible way forward and had the approval of many MPs. 
  
 *peals of laughter* 
  
 > Unfortunately Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg, scheming to achieve 
 > power, lied to the Commons and made them believe that if we "stood up" 
 > to the EU and made more threats, we could achieve an even better deal. 
  
 No; they pointed out just what the deal entailed. 
  
 > Having achieved power, Boris has tried to use threats and bullying and 
 > has achieved precisely nothing. A slight re-wording of the backstop 
 > arrangement which still "needs more work" if it is to be acceptable to 
 > the EU. For "needs more work" you can substitute "returns to the 
 > previous version". 
  
 We'll see.  If the deal cannot be improved then no deal it is. 
  
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