XPost: uk.politics.misc, uk.d-i-y, uk.radio.amateur 
 From: pamela.uklegal@gmail.com 
  
 On 11:44  13 Oct 2019, Keema's Nan  wrote: 
  
 > On 13 Oct 2019, Pamela wrote 
 > (in article ): 
 > 
 >> On 09:31 13 Oct 2019, Keema's Nan  wrote: 
 >> 
 >> > On 13 Oct 2019, Pamela wrote 
 >> > (in article ): 
 >> > 
 >> > > On 20:05 12 Oct 2019, Keema's Nan  wrote: 
 >> > > > On 12 Oct 2019, nightjar wrote 
 >> > > > (in article): 
 >> > > > > On 12/10/2019 16:35, tim... wrote: 
 >> > > > > > "Dave Plowman (News)"  wrote in message 
 >> > > > > > news:5801d4258edave@davenoise.co.uk... 
 >> > > > > > > In article, 
 >> > > > > > > Cursitor Doom   wrote: 
 >> > > > > > > > 
 >> > > > > > > > 
 >> > > > > > > > I still have a legitimate interest, mate. And if there's 
 >> > > > > > > > another Referendum I'll be voting in it again, same as 
 >> > > > > > > > before, just like everyone else who voted Leave - plus 
 >> > > > > > > > not a few former Remainers who've seen the light over the 
 >> > > > > > > > last 3 years. 
 >> > > > > > > 
 >> > > > > > > Oddly, most the polls seem to show the opposite has 
 >> > > > > > > happened. 
 >> > > > > > 
 >> > > > > > very marginally 
 >> > > > > > 
 >> > > > > > and to less than the extent that Remain was in the lead 
 >> > > > > > before the last vote .... 
 >> > > > > 
 >> > > > > However, this time there seem to be lot fewer don't knows. 
 >> > > > 
 >> > > > Well, I suppose that is one good thing to come out of the chaos. 
 >> > > > 
 >> > > > > 
 >> > > > > 
 >> > > > > A Panelbase poll on how people would vote in a second 
 >> > > > > referendum, from last September, gave 52% remain, 45% leave and 
 >> > > > > 3% don't know. 
 >> > > > > 
 >> > > > > In May 2015, a YouGov poll on referendum intentions gave 36% 
 >> > > > > leave, 47% remain, 17% don't know and 3% would not vote. 
 >> > > > 
 >> > > > What a shame..... there isn't going to be a second referendum. 
 >> > > 
 >> > > It would be one way of unifying the country as the last one was so 
 >> > > flawed. 
 >> > 
 >> > The only reason the country is not unified, is because we had a 
 >> > referendum and then the ruling establishment have done everything in 
 >> > their power to make sure the result was not enacted on; because it 
 >> > was neither the result they wanted, nor expected. 
 >> > 
 >> > As an exercise in showing the electorate just how disenfranchised 
 >> > they have become under €€€rule by the secret elite€€€ it may be an 
 >> > eye-opener; but as long as the plebs have €€€Strictly€€€ and 
 >> > €€€X-Factor€€€ to argue over, the elite believe they are getting away 
 >> > with it unnoticed. 
 >> 
 >> I see your mistake. You think the referendum was a football match with 
 >> winner takes all. In fact, the vote was more or less evenly split and 
 >> MPs will take that into account. 
 > 
 > Ok, but not quite evenly split though, was it? 
 > 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> A second referendum will serve to show Parliament if the original split 
 >> has been preserved after voters have seen what Brexit really looks 
 >> like. 
 > 
 > No one can see what Brexit looks like until they have experienced it. 
 > 
 > All we have, is what bullshitters tell us Brexit will be like. 
  
 Ain't that the trooth. 
  
 We know what non-Brexit looks like because we have it now and it has 
 brought us prosperity.  On the other hand, we have no idea if Brexit is 
 going to deliver any net benefit at all and the signs are it won't. 
  
 > If we are allowed a few years of Brexit and then have a referendum based 
 > on 'stay out' or 're-join', that would be sensible. But common sense is 
 > what the remain-filled UK establishment do not possess. 
  
 Why experience a disaster for several unnecessary years?  Best to avoid 
 the problems than rush into them.  For example, what do the trade deals we 
 will need after Brexit actually look like?  The signs are they're going to 
 be very disappointing. 
  
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