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From: nightwriter@hotmail.com
sorry to top post, but this was all confirmed today when the purported osama
bin laden tape called for the complete taking back of palestinian land -
israel. now, i'm no osama apologist, but i can see that, hey, we remove our
troops from your country, you stop terrorism in ours... that sounds like a
good deal. but to then throw in 'and israel gets demolished' basically, is
obscene and ridiculous and puts the other requests (withdraw troops) in a
pitiful light. it's clear he has delusions of grandeur. i hope they invent
nuclear arrowheads and they can just send little baby-nukes into the caves
and eliminate this bastard.
"Seven of 3" wrote in message
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> "nightwriter" wrote in message
> news:Ewcfc.138012$SQE.130914@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> >
> > "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1ae7199ed790d60f9896b0@news.comcast.giganews.com...
> > > In article ,
> > > defenderofenourmousmanhood@rogers.com says...
> > > > The question was actually rhetorical, and meant for Veranda.
> > >
> > > I know, but it didn't hurt for her to see a sane person's answer.
> > >
> > >
> > > > We know it ain't for the Oil - there isn't any - nor the gold -
there
> > isn't
> > > > any, nor the lush green meadows - there isn't any.
> > >
> > > Interesting that in Israel, there are...although there didn't used to
> > > be. The Palestinians could do that, too, but don't.
> >
> > because they aren't funded to the tune of billions of dollars every year
> by
> > the US, perhaps??
>
> I guarantees yes, free money no!
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Where in the world can you just kill innocent people in the street
and
> > not
> > > > be considered a crime?
> > >
> > > For that matter, if Israel were note a primarily Jewish state, no one
> > > would be questioning their right to defend themselves.
> >
> > bullshit. this is not some form of subtle anti-semitism. people in the
> > west are wrapped up in the Israeli conflict because we a) helped to
create
> > it b) help israel c) realize the palestinian/israeli conflict has at
> > least a little something to do with anti-western sentiment among
> terrorists.
>
>
> We did not create the Palestinian conflict. Jews have been living in
> Palestine almost since the Roman's destroyed Israel.
> In the 1800's Jewish settlers, Zionist flocked to the Biblical lands. They
> lived in relative peace and harmony with the people's of the area. They
> bought land, and built homes. I suppose as their numbers grew, and they
> became adamant about establishing a homeland that was the beginning of the
> conflict. No West.
>
> Then the League of Nations with the help of the Brits gave lands they
> occupied to Israel to establish a homeland. It was a very tiny slice of
> barren desert. Much smaller than the Biblical Israel. There was no
> Palestine. The country was Canaan. Palestine was that same area, named as
> Palestine as part of the Ottman Turk Empire from 1516-1917, and a British
> Mandate 1923-1948. Before 1516 there was no Palestine. Originally the
Brits
> were going to give Palestine to Israel, but backed out and gave them only
a
> small peice of baren desert.
>
> From the very day they became independant is when the Arabs vowed that
> Israel had no right to exist and would destroy it, and began to fight. So
in
> that sense, I suppose you can say the West helped to create it - the
> conflict, and Israel, thought "the West" is really a term that began with
> the cold war. And it was really Europe - North America had little to do
with
> it.
>
> And put things into perspective. The West was riddled with guilt after the
> war. When boats full Jewish refugees came into their ports looking for
> refuge, they were denied, and most perished at sea. Combined with the
> atrocities they suffered, and the lack of humanity they received from the
> West, the West felt duty bound to give them a homeland in their ancient
> lands. Of course the anti-semites liked the idea too - it meant that Jews
> would leave their countries to return to their homeland.
>
> Palestine was a non-issue until the 6 day war in 1967. That was when
Israel
> got sick of being so easily attacked, and decided to take land, strategic
> lands so they could effectively defend their country from armies.
> Palestinians tried to flee to neighbouring Arab nations, and were turned
> back. since world war II it has been illegal for nations to expand their
> borders by war.
>
> Israel's occupation is illegal, and there are several UN resolutions that
> say so. But No Arab nation has marched any armies on Israel since. And
that
> is not because of good will. That is because Israel is formidable, and
with
> the strategic lands under their control, any attack would just be a
> massacre, a lost cause of Arab slaughter. So for the reasons the land was
> taken has proved to be the right decision. From war every few years to no
> war in 40 years it proves that taking the lands brough security from
> military threat.
>
> The Arab position has mostly been, and I beleive still is - that Israel
has
> no right to exist and should be destroyed - though over the decades there
> has been movement and moderation by many Arab nations. If the Ababs had
let
> the Palestinians into their country and gave them refuge, things may have
> been a lot different. They and their military knew how important having
> those lands were to defense. They knew it was against international law.
So
> they let the Palestinains be trapped trapped in a noman's land.
>
> Sure the Palestinas didn't like it. Nobody likes to be occupied. But they
> needed to eat, and survive, so they needed jobs.
> Arab nations had jobs, they would not hire or allow Palestinians to work
in
> their country. Israel did. They gave them jobs, and let them integrate int
o
> their society to work. The Arab nations began a campaign to stir up and
> aggetate, and build resentment and hatred towards Israel. They gave
weapons
> and explosives. And while the Arabs banded like brothers in their hate and
> desire to destroy, where was their brotherly treatment of Palestinians?
>
> Yes the Arabs could nolonger send their armies down the Gaza Strip, the
> Golan Heights, the West Bank and other lands since returned to Egypt,
after
> peace. What more proof does the world need. Egypt came to the peace table,
> made peace, and got their land back. But that is not the objective of the
> Arab world. They don't want peace with Israel - they want it destroyed.
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