From: ametzler@bebt.de 
  
 On 2025-08-19 Andreas Tille  wrote: 
 > Am Sun, Aug 17, 2025 at 11:37:42PM +0200 schrieb Lucas Nussbaum: 
 >>> One point raised during the BoF was the need to better document the role 
 >>> of the Debian/ group on Salsa. Not all developers are aware that being 
 >>> part of this group allows any DD to upload packages hosted there. While 
 >>> this is already documented in the Wiki about Salsa[d05], it might be 
 >>> worth mentioning in the Developers Reference to make it more 
 >>> discoverable (patches welcome). 
 >> [...] 
 >>> [d04] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2024/12/msg00101.html 
 >>> [d05] https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa/Doc#Collaborative_Mainte 
 ance:_.22Debian.22_group 
  
 >> Where is that (= "being part of this group allows any DD to upload 
 >> packages hosted there") documented in [d05]?  The word "upload" is 
 >> not included in the section of [d05] you link to. 
  
 > That€€€s true €€€ the word €€€upload€€€ is missing from that page. But 
 several 
 > people I talked to share the interpretation that upload rights are 
 > implied. If I€€€m not mistaken, we even have a DebConf talk recording 
 > where Jonathan Carter said so explicitly. 
  
 > For me, this is exactly the problem: currently we rely on oral 
 > tradition, interpretations, or scattered references rather than clear 
 > written rules. This is why I suggested that the role of the Debian/ 
 > group should be documented better, ideally in the Developers Reference, 
 > so there is no room for contradictory readings. 
 [...] 
  
 Hello, 
  
 Imho the current canonical documentation (wiki) is pretty clear. It says 
 that the "Debian" group is about this: 
 | The debian group is for CollaborativeMaintenance (the old collab-maint 
 | on Alioth). 
 | The group is accessible to all Debian developers upon linking their SSO 
 | Account, and are granted Maintainer access levels. Direct commits to 
 | repositories in the Debian group by any Debian developer are implicitly 
 | welcome. No pre-commit coordination (e.g. merge-request or mail) is 
 | expected. 
 | [ + Technical details about accress for non-Debian members and about 
 |     moving project out of the group +] 
  
 If you still think this is unclear I would be happy to add some 
 explanation: "Keeping a package's source code in a repository of the 
 debian group does not convey any further information about the packaging 
 maintainance, e.g.  whether uncoordinated NMUs are welcome." 
  
 If you want to change the meaning of the Debian group you should 
 propose to do so. 
  
 cu Andreas 
  
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