From: glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de 
  
 Hi Antoni, 
  
 On Sat, 2025-11-01 at 10:51 -0400, Antoni Boucher wrote: 
 > As the maintainer of rustc_codegen_gcc 
 > (https://github.com/rust-lang/rustc_codegen_gcc), I hope the project is 
 > going to be ready enough in time to help here. My current priority is to 
 > fix what is needed to be able to build Rust compilers for these platforms. 
  
 First of all, thanks a lot for your work on this! I have been trying to help 
 you with this effort on and off a bit and some folks are also working on it, 
 so I'm sure we will eventually get there. 
  
 FWIW, the ultimatum that Julian set doesn't really exist. There is nothing 
 that stops us from using a non-rustified version of APT for the time being 
 until we managed to bootstrap rustc using your code generation backend or 
 by using gccrs. 
  
 So, I don't think it's that urgent. But I guess posting messages like this 
 gets more attention in the news as the articles on X/Twitter, Hackernews, 
 LWN and Phoronix show which have adopted the phrasing used by Julian without 
 any reflection. 
  
 But I'm not going to engage in this kind of rage bait. I have said what I 
 think of this kind of discussion style and might remind people of this the 
 next time a heated discussion is kicked off because of some politically 
 incorrect phrases buried in an obscure fortunes package are found. 
  
 > But it would help me to get this ready faster if some people would help 
 > with issues that are outside the scope of rustc_codegen_gcc but are 
 > still needed to make this work. For instance, if you look at this issue 
 > for m68k (https://github.com/rust-lang/rustc_codegen_gcc/issues/744) and 
 > this issue for DEC Alpha 
 > (https://github.com/rust-lang/rustc_codegen_gcc/issues/742), I would 
 > appreciate help for things like: 
 > 
 >   * linux-raw-sys does not support m68k. 
 >   * The rustix crate does not support m68k. 
  
 I can help get this done. Also for the other architectures. 
  
 >   * The bootstrap script fails to compile native GCC for m68k. 
  
 Do you have a bug reference for this? 
  
 >   * Possibly some alignment fixes for m68k either on the Rust side or on 
 > the distro side (which wanted to switch to an alignment of 4 for pointers). 
  
 I need to perform some more tests with 32-bit alignment before we can make 
 the 
 switch in Debian. But it's definitely work-in-progress. 
  
 >   * Create an Alpha target file 
  
 I assume you're talking about this: 
  
 https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/tree/master/compiler/rustc_tar 
 et/src/spec/targets 
  
 How do I actually determine the data layout for non-LLVM architectures? 
  
 >   * Add handling of the Alpha ABI to the Rust compiler 
  
 I assume you're talking about the calling convention? 
  
 https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/tree/master/compiler/rustc_tar 
 et/src/callconv 
  
 I have added both for several targets and I can certainly do that for Alpha, 
 HPPA 
 and SuperH. I just need to understand how to wire architectures up when they 
 don't 
 have an LLVM backend. 
  
 >   * Add Alpha to the code inserting metadata into object files 
  
 Which code part is this? Are you talking about the object crate? 
  
 >   * Add Alpha as a recognized architecture to be used in 
 > #[cfg(target_arch = "alpha")]. 
 >   * Add Alpha support to libc. 
  
 I can do that as well. 
  
 > Some of them do not require any compiler experience since they touch 
 > non-compiler projects and none of these require GCC development 
 > experience. I hope some people join this effort in order to get there 
 > faster. As for me, I'll first focus on having a m68k rust compiler. 
  
 OK, thanks! 
  
 > Thanks for your help. 
  
 You're welcome! Thanks a lot for creating rustc_codegen_gcc and continuing 
 to 
 drive 
 it forward. I hope we will eventually be able to bootstrap rustc on the four 
 remaining 
 architectures. 
  
 Adrian 
  
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