From: cstory@NOSPAM.magma.ca 
  
 "Dave"  wrote in 
 news:saeub.7698$iT4.692646@news20.bellglobal.com: 
  
 > These were not herbs, but instructors.  It's not uncommon to carry a 
 > little extra height if you are planning a non-standard circuit, or if 
 > the winds are unpredictable, then bleed it off once you've figured 
 > your covered. 
  
 Oh, I know .. not trying to justify wrecking an 
 aircraft .. quite the opposite, in fact. 
  
 I was responding to Sean's comment about not believing the 
 spoilers were on through the whole crash .. they got 
 themselves into a situation that got out of hand 
 very quickly, and, my guess is they were so overwhelmed 
 so quickly, they simply forgot about the spoilers. 
  
  
  
 > 
 > As for the hebs at getting 'spoiler lock', I've seen it as far back as 
 > 78' when C-GCLM went into the swamp at Mtvw, then again in 84' when 
 > C-FYLP landed short in Picton, 
  
 Hey!  I was there!  I remember that, too ... happened the same day 
 I soloed, if I recall right ... 
  
  clipping a tree with it's left wing. 
 > Some errors are highly repeatable, and even worse than that, they're 
 > highly repeatable. 
  
 Indeed .. and the Flight Safety website shows that exactly this 
 situation happened again, just this past summer, again in Picton. 
  
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