HI Mark,   
      
   On Tue 2011-Dec-27 18:16, Mark Hofmann (1:261/1304) wrote to Richard Webb:   
      
   RW> What gives some weight to the climate change arguments imho   
   RW> is some of the reading I"ve done on core samplings taken   
   RW> from peat bogs in Europe, the polar ice at both poles, etc.   
   RW> Growth rings on trees can provide some valuable data for   
   RW> this as well.  The cyclic thing can be accounted for in   
   RW> these growth rings and core samplings, but data indicates   
   RW> that this recent changing is more rapid than others.   
      
   MH> Other things to keep in mind..    
      
   MH> There are locations on the earth that were once deserts and now are   
   MH> wet and vice versa.  Climate on certain locations on the earth can   
   MH> dramatically change naturally.     
      
   INdeed, such as the modification of the gulfstream in the   
   Atlantic which created the previous ice age, or had a lot to do with it.  This   
   is why imho the jury's still out to some   
   degree,  I'm not willing to totally discount either position at this point,   
   what disappoints me is that it's become a   
   debate for politicians and people for whom science is a   
   dirty word, where it should remain a discussion among people with some actual   
   knowledge of science .    I don't even   
   bother with the writings of the political types on this   
   stuff, but stick to reading of people with some actual   
   credentials in related fields.   
      
   At this point, the more i learn, it seems the more I need to learn .   
      
   MH> Ocean currents, volcanos, the sun (solar flares), earthquakes, and   
   MH> other evolving things that happen to the earth and our solar system.   
      
   Yep, and often those things can be correlated with   
   historical data, and solar observations of course.   We've   
   been "watching' solar flares now for a couple centuries   
   iirc, but their impact on radio comms and other   
   characteristics of the atmosphere related to radio   
   propagation and the phenomenon we all know as "skip" is   
   relatively a young science by comparison.  This is true of a lot of our   
   meteorlogical measurement capability, and   
   collection of that data.   
      
   This is why I'm not willing to write off those who posit   
   that we're changing things more rapidly than in the past   
   quite yet.    But now the political ideologues are involved, so we'll get a   
   whole lot of heat, but not much light shed   
   I'm sure.   
      
   We are living that ancient Chinese curse.  We indeed live in interesting times.   
      
   Regards,   
              Richard   
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