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|    BOB KLAHN to ALAN ZISMAN    |
|    Virtual Machines    |
|    28 Jul 13 12:01:06    |
       AZ> Reply at the top - Bob.... I'm puzzled by what you're        AZ> trying to accomplish.               AZ> Running in an OS in a virtual session does not mean running        AZ> it off a RAM drive, which I suspect is what you're thinking        AZ> of...               Yep.               AZ> You seem to be describing installing Win XP to an SD card        AZ> in the netbook's SD card slot and booting to it and running        AZ> it. No virtual machine involved or needed.               Well, that is step one. I was hoping the virtual machine would        be faster. That and avoid excess writes to the SD card.               AZ> In order to make use of a virtual machine you need lots of        AZ> storage and RAM - since you are storing and running two        AZ> operating systems: the 'host' OS which you boot to and the        AZ> 'guest' OS which is running in the virtual system. On your        AZ> netbook as you describe it, you have neither storage nor        AZ> RAM to spare.               That is what I was worried about.               AZ> In comparison, my mainly-used system right now is a Macbook        AZ> Air - it's got a 256GB SSD and 8 GB of memory; it boots to        AZ> Mac OS X 10.8. But I'm teaching a class right now where I        AZ> need a Win 7 system, so I've got Windows 7 installed in a        AZ> virtual machine... with the 8 GB memory, I give the Win7        AZ> virtual session 4 GB when it's running, and still have 4 GB        AZ> for OS X - when I had systems with 4 GB memory total, I had        AZ> to skimp on memory when running virtual sessions.        AZ> Win7+Office2013 (and not much else) takes 12GB of storage        AZ> for the virtual hard drive.               Ok, I don't have that problem, as I don't have Win 7 or MS        office any version. Well, I have them, but not for this purpose.               AZ> Running XP would require less memory and storage - but        AZ> still relatively significant amounts when you add them        AZ> what's needed by your host OS...               AZ> I can think of one scenario where you might want to do this        AZ> - let me imagine a netbook with 1 GB of soldered-in,        AZ> unexpandable RAM (which is pretty standard with many        AZ> netbook models) and (say) a 16 GB SD card (you might be        AZ> able to use a smaller capacity card)... and let's also        AZ> imagine that you can't install/boot XP from the SD card but        AZ> can install/boot a small Linux distribution. (I don't know        AZ> if that's the case or not).               Ok, my SD card is 8GB, but 16 is doable. I have 1GB laptop ram,        could probably go to 2GB. I have booted it to Puppy Linux.               AZ> In that case, you might want to install Puppy Linux and        AZ> then install XP as a virtual machine using the free        AZ> VirtualBox software. Note that your restore CD probably        AZ> would NOT be usable for this as the hardware virtualized by        AZ> VirtualBox is different from the actual hardware.               Hmmm...not that's interesting. I have used the restore CD to        install XP on another machine, just for testing. So I could get        XP from there.               AZ> Giving the virtualized XP session 512MB of RAM would work...               Ok, now that sounds promising.               AZ> But it would only be worth doing if you're unable to        AZ> install/boot XP directly to the SD card - in which case you        AZ> might be able to use the restore CD.               So far, no success in installing to the SD. It won't install        directly to the SD card in the SD slot. I have an adapter to put        an SD card in a laptop in place of the HD. Only the one I tried        it on the install CD still sees the SD card as a removable disk,        and won't install.               AZ> What make/model netbook is it? I've found SSDs for the Dell        AZ> Mini 9 to be relatively affordable - about $25/30 for 16 GB        AZ> SSDs, for instance.               Yes, but I tried installing a Zif adapter for a CF drive, and it        doesn't work, which makes me suspect the drive interface doesn't        work. It is the HP Mini.               I will look further into the Linux solution. OTOH, Linux seems        to take a lot of work, and a translator to understand the        instructions.                            BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn              ... Don't ban flag burning as long as politicians wrap themselves in it.       --- Via Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]        * Origin: Fidonet Since 1991 Join Us: www.DocsPlace.org (1:123/140)    |
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