Greetings Ed!   
      
    EV>> My first Email experience was with Juno when it was Dial-Up.   
      
    RW>> Been there, done that. Hated every second of it.   
      
    EV>> I connect to it via the internet now but I only check the In-Box and   
    EV>> Junk-Box about twice a month JIC that old Address is still in   
    EV>> someones Address Book and they send me a message.   
      
    RW>> Is Juno even around after all this time?   
      
    EV> Sure tis, I still use the Free Juno account.   
      
   Interesting.   
      
    EV> -snip-   
      
    RW>> The only way to make a truely safe backup is to save it on a HD   
    RW>> or USB flash drive. A USB flash drive can lose files to if you   
    RW>> don't use the USB 'release' feature in windoz...   
      
    EV> Does "'release' feature" mean clicking on the "Safely Remove   
    EV> Hardware" icon on the XP Taskbar, then clicking the drive letter to   
    EV> tell the box not to use that one anymore? -snip-   
      
   Yeup.   
      
    EV>> A friend of mine told me She has a Grand-Daughter (GD) who took lots   
    EV>> of photos of Her (GD's) Mother (our friends Daughter) on a cellphone   
    EV>> from a Rental Company.   
    EV>> One day the GD decided to  return it to the Company without anyone   
    EV>> thinking about having someone take the photos off of it.   
    EV>> The Girls Mom passed away and all the pictures are gone now.   
      
    RW>> Seen that before. Now the daughter is passed and those photos   
    RW>> will probably be lost to all of the Gkids.   
      
    EV>> My friend sure wishes her GD had done as You have by keeping those   
    EV>> photos on a thumbdrive.   
    EV>> But most cellphone users are not Technical type folks as We Are   
    EV>> Here.   
      
    RW>> Well, those photos will probably be replaced by new photos as   
    RW>> time goes by. I was looking for a couple of photos on my cell   
    RW>> yesterday and they're no longer there...   
      
    EV> No, they can't be replaced, Our friends daughter passed away,   
    EV> no one can take any photos now of her, and the Rental Phone was   
    EV> returned to the store long time ago.   
      
   Too bad.   
      
    EV> I don't have a cell phone, but am wondering if they have a MicroSD   
    EV> Card Slot where someone Could make a backup from what is on the phone   
    EV> at the time the backup is made. It'd be nice if one could do that.   
      
   Yes and no. One has to put an SD card in the phone and it is a special   
   'micro' sized SD card. My Nokia has one in it, but I've forgotten the size   
   of it. (pulled the SD card out) - yes, it's an 8Gb mini-SD...   
      
    EV>> All of the photos I take with my Digital Camera are Saved to this   
    EV>> HDD. I keep multiple Full Back-Ups JIC I ever needed to Restore what   
    EV>> is on this XP box, If the latest one would fail, I hope the Child   
    EV>> Back-up works.   
      
    RW>> The photos I seem to have lost were of the fixture I made to   
    RW>> 'push' my verticle mill from the front of the garage to the   
    RW>> back with my pickup. It attached to the receiver hitch on the   
    RW>> truck and it had wheels to keep it from stopping the momentum   
    RW>> as I pushed. That worked fine and I was explaining it to a GM   
    RW>> area manager, but couldn't produce the photos to show him. Oh   
    RW>> well, he was intrigued at the genious of it all.   
      
    EV> Are You talking about a "Milling Machine"?   
      
   Yes. I have a Bridgeport CNC milling machine in my garage/work shop.   
      
    EV> Your thoughts about the lost photos made me think of a Ham I met that   
    EV> was Licensed as a Novice, 1/2 a year after I got my Novice Ticket.   
    EV> When He built a project for his station, he would put a Schematic of   
    EV> it inside the box before he fastened the cover on it.   
      
   Good idea. I do that with aftermarket parts for my cars too. I have a 1956   
   Chevy and I keep a folder of everything that I've added to the car that   
   wasn't available in 1956. i.e. it has AC, power disc brakes, rack and   
   pinion steering, overdrive automatic trans, solid state radio w/CD player   
   and ports for USBs, and it looks like the original tube radio, etc..   
      
    EV> I knew of that, and one day at another Hams home, I was asked if I   
    EV> knew anything about a circuit that my other friend had built for this   
    EV> man. I told him to open the box and see if there was anything inside   
    EV> the box that would be of help, after opening the box, there it was.   
      
   I did that with my Motorola repeater that still sits on top of Mt Palomar   
   too. Wish I hadn't sold it now.   
      
    EV>> Recently, I got one of those 3TB External HDD and one thing I don't   
    EV>> like about it is it saves the back-ups I put on it,   
    EV>> in one B-I-G Chunk.   
      
    RW>> Yeah...   
      
    EV>> My usual plan is to just Copy the sub-directory the new back-up is   
    EV>> in to Another External HDD so I have a Duplicate. (As Tom says:   
    EV>> "Belt And Suspenders")   
      
    RW>> So, you didn't make a sub-folder before you copied everything   
    RW>> to the HDD.   
      
    EV> Oh Sure!, Sub-Directories are my friend!   
    EV> I first make a BACKUP Directory, and then make Sub-Directories from   
    EV> it to save my Child and GrandChild ... backups to the BACKUP   
    EV> Directory.   
      
   8^)   
      
    EV>> I will have to go back to making my BU's to the drive that I used B4   
    EV>> getting the 3TB'er so I can Copy from it to the new drive.  :-(   
      
    EV>> It'll take the same time to do a BU (and DUPE), but me seeing the   
    EV>> whole BU in one piece really surprized me when I first saw it on   
    EV>> that drive.   
      
    RW>> 8^) That's what big drives are for.   
      
    EV> I didn't want to try Copying that backup file on the NTFS drive to   
    EV> one of my Ext. FAT-32 drives. I am not sure if the copying process   
    EV> would break the BIG file into 4GB Chunks that would fit on the older   
    EV> drives I use to keep my backup on.   
      
   Those older drives can be converted to NTFS, if you want to.   
      
    EV> I didn't want to waste the time trying that and find out it Failed.   
      
   Good idea.   
      
    EV>> I didn't notice the new drive was NTFS, vs. FAT-32.   
      
    RW>> That's a good thing.   
      
    EV> Probably, if I used a 64-bit OS, but everything here has 32-bit,   
    EV> 16-bit and 8-bit OS's. The new Ext. Drive being NTFS was unexpected,   
    EV> as it wasn't mentioned in the description on the case.   
      
   That's ok. It will work with any Windoz version newer than W98. I began to   
   use NTFS when I installed W2k...   
      
    EV> Yes!, "I Can Read" Some Letters And Numbers, I know enough to make me   
    EV> considered dangerous 'about some things'.   
      
   LOL!   
      
    EV>> I just looked at the box the drive came in and it doesn't say what   
    EV>> Format was on it, it only says it can be used with Windows7 as is,   
    EV>> and MacIntosh users will have to ReFormat it.   
      
    RW>> I began to use NTFS when I first started using W2k...it will do   
    RW>> backups to a safe place all on its own.   
      
    EV> This XP box was the first one I've owned that wasn't FAT.   
      
   Well there's FAT (8 and 16 bit) and then there's FAT32, which was a W98   
   thing.   
      
    EV>> My XP box has USB 2.0 ports, the 3TB drive is my first USB 3.0   
    EV>> device. -snip-   
      
    RW>> Wish I had v2 ports, let alone v3. Still stuck on v1 USBs.   
      
    EV> Long time ago, I had an W98SE box I put a USB 2.0 card in, those   
    EV> cards ought to be real cheap now. Do you Have a spare slot to put one   
    EV> in?   
      
   Probably. It's almost time to buy a new MB anyway. So, I'll wait for a   
   while longer.   
      
      
       Have a day!   
      
            R\%/itt - K5RXT   
      
      
      
      
      
      
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