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|    Jerry Woody to All    |
|    SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve     |
|    07 Jul 25 06:30:19    |
      TZUTC: -0400       MSGID: 193.fidonet_ufo@1:3634/60 2cd0d87c       PID: Synchronet 3.19b-Win32 master/a2a9dc027 Jan 2 2022 MSC 1928       TID: SBBSecho 3.14-Win32 master/a2a9dc027 Jan 2 2022 MSC 1928       BBSID: RICKSBBS       CHRS: UTF-8 4       SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1062              PART 19               A very bizarre but intriguing letter was sent to APRO in either       late 1980 or early 1981 and is commonly referred to by the name of       the initial subject of the letter, a Mr. Craig Weitzel. This letter       refers to a sequence of events which occurred in the mid-1980's at       both Kirtland AFB and in an area near Pecos, NM and also makes several       statements to the effect that there is a UFO-investigation detachment       stationed at or near Kirtland. The writer also goes on to mention       among other things that there is at least one "object" stored in the       Manzano storage area. That the letter was at least legitimately received       at APRO can be ascertained by the vehement letter which Jim Lorenzen       mailed out rebuking the gentleman who released this letter without       official permission from APRO. However, can we determine if this letter       is a total hoax or is there even a grain of truth to be found in the       information it conveys? In a conversation I had with Craig Weitzel       he claimed to know nothing of the details related in the letter, and       denied that he took any photographs. Strangely enough, however, he       did state that he and the other did see an unusual silvery object       hovering high in the sky which left the area, to use his words,       "exponentially"! He had been training in mountain rescue operations       and he and the others had spelled out S-O-S on the mountain side using       parachutes and were waiting for the rescue helicopters to spot them.       While looking for these helicopters they notices the silvery "UFO".       If this is all that occurred what could be the reason to fabricate       such a letter and yet give the name and address of a witness who was       sure to refute the claims? Was it just a bizarre practical joke? The       author of the anonymous letter claims that after Weitzel spoke with       AFOSI agent Dody (sic) he did not want to have anything more to do       with the matter and subsequently the Dody character denied that there       had been any photographs. Was this a circumstance that could have       been expected based on previous experience with Air Force handling       of such matters? Many government and military witnesses often refuse       to talk about their experiences to strangers either because of official       pressure or simply for the sake of their own privacy. Motivation again       must be considered in efforts to find the complete truth.               In early October 1987 I had a strange conversation with an individual       who is unknown to me except by first name and who initially knew       absolutely nothing about my interest in UFOs. During a telephone       conversation which took place totally by chance, the subject of nuclear       weapons came up as this person indicated some knowledge of this       weaponry, being at the time a member of the Air Force. I jokingly       asked to know everything there was to know about Kirtland AFB, but       not due to my interest in nuclear weapons per se but because of something       else I thought may be stored at Manzano that "isn't nuclear weapons."       After a momentary chuckle this individual said, "yes...UFOs!" As astounded       as I was I asked for a little clarification, and after relating my       interest, I was told that there are two "objects" stored in the Manzano       area from what this person had heard during conversations by Air Force       personnel in Germany. There had been some discussion about something       which was related to a UFO incident widely reported in German newspapers       in 1981 being similar to something which "they" had "over here."       Because of the circumstances under which this conversation occurred       and the fact that I had in no way even alluded to the subject I believe       that this may offer some support to some of the statements made in       the anonymous "Weitzel" letter.               A final note of interest has come up in the newly released book       on the "flying boomerang" objects reported in recent years in and       around New York state [NIGHT SIEGE, Ballantine 1987]. In the process       of investigating these incidents Hynek and Imbrogno were contacted       by an individual who claimed to work for the NSA. They apparently       verified this to their own satisfaction, and while this person professed       that his interest was only personal, they were struck by the inordinate       amount of interest this person showed in their investigations and       any evidence they uncovered. There are even indications that their       telephones may have been tapped. While it is unknown if this man's       interest went further than personal curiosity, it is clear that the       investigators felt there was something unusual about it. Nevertheless,       here is yet another instance in which the National Security Agency       seems to have crept into the picture.               Do the facts as outlined here cast reasonable suspicion on the       NSA and its part in official interest in unidentified flying objects?       I believe that they do and that there is justifiable cause to suspect       that the project AQUARIUS which relates (at least in some way) to       UFOs is probably an NSA, or NSA related project. It also still seems       that in spite of the arguments and confusion concerning documents,       the designation "MJ-12" must be considered if not a certainty, than       at least potentially valid. Those who have taken the time to contact       witnesses and obtain their statements and help, have the best chance       to make up their minds for themselves, regardless of the confusion       concerning altered documents which seems to be precipitating furiously.       We do not want to throw the proverbial baby out with the bath water       simply because the facts seem confusing. Perhaps even the confusion       is being directed by someone somewhere. We should keep our sights       fixed firmly on the major issues and the facts we can prove in our       efforts to uncover the truth.              END              Thanks to all those sources both named and unnamed who have contributed       to the facts outlined here.              end of part 19                       **********************************************        * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo *        **********************************************              Jerry       telnet://ricksbbs.synchro.net:23       http://ricksbbs.synchro.net:8080       --- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32        * Origin: Rick's BBS - telnet://ricksbbs.synchro.net:23 (1:3634/60)       SEEN-BY: 1/120 4/0 18/0 90/0 105/81 106/201 123/0 126 180 525 755       SEEN-BY: 123/3001 3002 124/5016 128/187 129/14 305 153/757 7715 154/30       SEEN-BY: 154/110 203/0 218/700 220/6 221/0 6 222/2 226/30 227/114       SEEN-BY: 229/110 317 426 428 664 700 705 240/1120 5832 250/1 263/1       SEEN-BY: 266/512 280/464 5003 5006 291/111 292/854 8125 301/1 320/219       SEEN-BY: 322/757 341/66 200 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 633/280 712/848       SEEN-BY: 712/1321 770/1 900/0 902/0 26 905/0 2320/105 3634/0 12 56       SEEN-BY: 3634/57 60 5020/400 5075/35       PATH: 3634/60 12 222/2 263/1 280/464 341/66 902/26 229/426           |
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