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|    Jerry Woody to All    |
|    SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve     |
|    06 Jul 25 06:14:24    |
      TZUTC: -0400       MSGID: 192.fidonet_ufo@1:3634/60 2ccf8340       PID: Synchronet 3.19b-Win32 master/a2a9dc027 Jan 2 2022 MSC 1928       TID: SBBSecho 3.14-Win32 master/a2a9dc027 Jan 2 2022 MSC 1928       BBSID: RICKSBBS       CHRS: UTF-8 4       SUBJECT: The Majestic Twelve FILE: UFO1061              PART 18               The recent issue of JUST CAUSE also contains the statement by       Larry Fawcett and Barry Greenwood that they have been told that this       document is actually a retyped version. This fact was reportedly       revealed in 1983 to Peter Gersten by an Air Force officer and was       either forgotten or over-looked until just recently. However, the Air       Force source who is cited is said to be none other than Richard Doty       himself.               In light of the fact that it has recently become common knowledge       that Mr. Moore does (for his own reasons) delete documents which he       obtains, and that he is rather aggressive in his research, I believe       that Mr. Moore did in fact retype or have this document retyped. But       does this negate the value of the document, or indicate that it is       a hoax? Perhaps this explains why no one can verify if the document       is genuine, because technically it is a forgery. It would appear that       it is up to Mr. Moore to reveal a clean, accurate version and to finally       reveal the facts behind its acquisition.               According to film producer and director Linda Moulton Howe,       she has had independent confirmation of MJ-12 and reportedly was shown       a set of documents containing much of the same, if not identical,       information. However, the actual name of the group in question was       not "Majestic" but another similar sounding word containing the letters       M and J. Could it be that the term "Majestic" was a substitution in       a clever attempt to withhold a key bit of information which only someone       with true inside information would be able to identify?               If there is reason to question the accuracy of the information       pre-sented in the original AQUARIUS/MJ-12 document as well as the       information in the recent documents pertaining to MJ-12, does this       logically imply that the 1980 Kirtland/Bennewitz events should be       considered questionable? Any single-witness UFO sighting has always       been somewhat questionable, this is exactly why we look for multiple       witnesses and any other supporting evidence. If Richard Doty, or Paul       Bennewitz were alone in reporting these incidents then the Kirtland       events would never have become as major an issue as they have. However       there were numerous individuals involved not only in the events       precipitating preparation of the documents themselves. A brief summary       of the incidents is as follows:-               Early 1980, Paul Bennewitz becomes involved in observing and        filming objects which he has sighted on the ground and in the        air near Kirtland AFB and the Manzano range. Reportedly his        wife was also present to witness some of the first landings        he witnessed and filmed in the Coyote Canyon area. Subsequently        he contacts Earnest Edwards of the Kirtland Security Police who,        over the period of the next few months, becomes concerned and        requests the guards on the Manzano Weapons Storage Area report        to him any sightings of unusual aerial lights. At the beginning        of August 1980 three guards report sighting an aerial light        which descends on the Sandia Military Reservation. This is        the first sighting described in the complaint form signed by        Richard Doty. Edwards reports the sighting to Doty unaware that        Doty has already heard from Russ Curtis (Sandia Security Chief)        that a Sandia Security guard sighted a disc-shaped object near        a structure just minutes after the sighting by the three Manzano        guards. Doty includes these reports and several others in his        Complaint Form and forwards the report to AFOSI Headquarters        in Washington.                     From this point on many other persons became involved. Bennewitz was       called down to a meeting at Kirtland AFB at which several major Air       Force officers and Sandia personnel were present, including a Brigadier       General. Earnest Edwards has confirmed that the three guards under       his command reported what was described, and that the meeting took       place. Bennewitz has confirmed that Doty and Jerry Miller came to       his home to view his materials and there is a document signed by Thomas       A. Cseh, Commander of the Base Investigative Detachment, to confirm       this. Finally there is the complete set of documents which were released       by AFOSI Headquarters under cover of the Department of the Air Force       relating to the described events.               There seem to be only two possibilities to consider. One: that       this is one of the most profound deceptions that has been undertaken       with the sanction of the USAF, involving a civilian, for purposes       which can only be imagined. The other: that the events happened as       described and that the intervening years, subsequent developments,       and misguided researchers, have only clouded the facts. Perhaps there       was also some effort made on an official level to defuse the sensitive       nature of the events.               Would Richard Doty have perpetrated a hoax, involved other       officers in his deception, sent the hoax on to AFOSI Headquarters,       and then spread certain information to civilian UFO researchers? For       what purpose? And would he still be in the Air Force if he was discovered,       knowing the public relations catastrophe that could result from AFOSI       in Washington releasing the subsequent documents? It seems inconceivable       that the Base Investigative Detachment, and the Department of the       Air Force, would not have quickly and easily discovered the hoax and       subsequently labeled the entire matter as such, knowing their previous       predilection to do just that.               A few simple telephone calls have served to clarify much of       the truth of the initial incidents. We must avoid the temptation at       times to "shoot first and ask questions later" which can result in       spreading misinformation ourselves. It is advisable to use tact in       approaching witnesses as we have no God-given right to call up strangers       and demand that they answer questions, particularly when sensitive       matters may be involved. Is it any surprise that some of these people       may not want to be bothered by every person who plies them with questions?              end of part 18                       **********************************************        * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo *        **********************************************              Jerry       telnet://ricksbbs.synchro.net:23       http://ricksbbs.synchro.net:8080       --- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32        * Origin: Rick's BBS - telnet://ricksbbs.synchro.net:23 (1:3634/60)       SEEN-BY: 1/120 18/0 50/22 105/81 106/201 123/0 126 180 525 755 3001       SEEN-BY: 123/3002 124/5016 128/187 129/14 305 153/757 7715 154/30       SEEN-BY: 154/110 203/0 218/700 220/6 221/0 222/2 226/30 227/114 229/110       SEEN-BY: 229/317 426 428 664 700 705 240/1120 5832 250/1 263/1 266/512       SEEN-BY: 280/464 5003 5006 291/111 292/854 8125 301/1 320/219 322/757       SEEN-BY: 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 256 1124 5858 633/280 712/848       SEEN-BY: 712/1321 770/1 902/26 2320/105 3634/0 12 56 57 60 5020/400       SEEN-BY: 5020/8912 5054/30 5075/35       PATH: 3634/60 12 222/2 263/1 280/464 460/58 229/426           |
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