home bbs files messages ]

Just a sample of the Echomail archive

Cooperative anarchy at its finest, still active today. Darkrealms is the Zone 1 Hub.

   UFO      Debating & discussing Planet Crackpot...      366 messages   

[   << oldest   |   < older   |   list   |   newer >   |   newest >>   ]

   Message 219 of 366   
   Kurt Snelling to ALL   
   SUBJECT: ARTICLE ON CAMERON/CRAIN PAPER    
   09 Nov 25 06:13:51   
   
   TZUTC: -0500   
   MSGID: 323.fidonet_ufo@1:3634/60 2d75aeb2   
   PID: Synchronet 3.19b-Win32 master/a2a9dc027 Jan  2 2022 MSC 1928   
   TID: SBBSecho 3.14-Win32 master/a2a9dc027 Jan  2 2022 MSC 1928   
   BBSID: RICKSBBS   
   CHRS: UTF-8 4   
   SUBJECT: ARTICLE ON CAMERON/CRAIN PAPER - MICKUS             FILE: UFO1187   
      
    ====================================================   
    Note:  The following article is to appear in this   
   	month's issue of the CUFORN Bulletin.   
    ====================================================   
      
      
      
   	In last month's _Bulletin_, Larry Fenwick   
    brought out some tantalizing details involving the   
    possible involvement of Dr. Eric Walker with the   
    study and analysis of a crashed UFO, with probable   
    alien occupants, during the early 1950's.  Since   
    that article was published, more information has   
    come to light, particulary with the long awaited   
    publication of researcher's Grant Cameron and T.   
    Scott Crain Jr.'s "Preliminary Report Of The   
    Government's Involvement Into UFO Crash Retrievals"   
    entitled, "UFOs, MJ-12 AND THE GOVERNMENT".  This   
    research paper is now in limited circulation amongst   
    a handful of interested parties.  I'm grateful that   
    the UFONET BBS Network was also sent a copy.  I   
    have read it, and what follows is in part, both an   
    assessment, and a recap of some of the highlights.   
    Soon the paper will be ready for public distribution,   
    so it won't be long before you can read and assess   
    it for yourself.   
      
   	Dr. Eric Walker has an impressive background,   
    and one which would make even Stanton Friedman envious   
    of.  He's listed in certain "Who's Who" type compendiums,   
    so a quick visit to the Library might be in order for   
    those of you wishing to see a chronological listing of   
    this man's accomplishments.  Credit for "discovering"   
    him goes to Bill Steinman, co-author of "UFO Crash At   
    Aztec".  It was in a phone conversation with the late   
    Dr. Robert Sarbacher (of Wilbur Smith memo fame), that   
    Steinman got the break he needed in order to crack the   
    identity of another one of those scientists who attended   
    the Research & Development Board meeetings in the early '50s,   
    within the time frame of the much hypothesized UFO   
    crash/retrievals which were said to have occurred back then.   
      
   	Sarbacher, not remembering the name, alluded to   
    a prominent individual from Pennsylvannia who, unlike   
    himself, attended all of the Research and Development   
    Board meetings held at Wright Field.  Shortly thereafter,   
    in response to an inquiry by Steinman, he received a   
    letter from Fred Darwin, Executive Director of the Guided   
    Missile Committee for the Dept. of Defense's Research &   
    Development Board from 1949 to 1954.  In the letter, six   
    names were listed as possible candidates for a "hypothesized"   
    Flying Saucer recovery operation.  The list was composed in   
    early 1984, before the release of the controversial MJ-12   
    documents.  Five of the names matched names on the yet to   
    be released MJ-12 listing.  One name didn't, that of Eric   
    Arthur Walker...the person who most definitely fit the   
    description given by Sarbacher.  Later research revealed   
    that Walker was at one time the Executive Secretary for   
    the Research and Development Board during the time in question.   
      
   	Along with other influential positions held by   
    Walker, one of the most prominent, and secretive, concerns   
    his relationship with the "Institute for Defense Analysis",   
    of which Paul Dickson, author of "Think Tanks" had this to   
    say, "In the hierarchy of military tanks, none ranks higher   
    than the Institute for Defense Analysis (IDA)."  Walker   
    joined in 1958, and never looked back.  He was elected   
    chairman to the IDA in 1981, and became Chairman Emeritus   
    in 1986, upon his official retirement.  So, what is most   
    problematic when it comes to trying to get Walker to talk,   
    is that not only is this man privy to UFO secrets, but   
    countless military secrets as well, which in this instance   
    are no doubt viewed as one and the same.   
      
   	However, Walker is most vunerable when it comes to   
    his involvement in the early '50s, before the "security lid"   
    started to clamp down on this subject.  From the Cameron/Crain   
    research paper, we learn little of what Walker's possible UFO   
    related activities were in the period after this, although   
    there is speculation.  From their research, it is clear   
    that if Walker were to be involved in the aftermath of a UFO   
    crash, and possible U.S. government study thereof, he was in   
    the right places at the right times.  Along with this, there   
    is the body of material, consisting of phone conversations and   
    letter exchanges, between Walker and certain UFO researchers,   
    the primary one being of course Steinman.   
      
   	Most damning, are Walker's admissions to Steinman (in a   
    phone conversation written down 10 minutes after the call) that   
    he knew of MJ-12.  Says Walker, "Yes, I know of MJ-12.  I have   
    known of them for 40 years. I believe that you're chasing after   
    and fighting with windmills!!".  Along with this, its become   
    apparent that Walker is engaged in playing a most peculiar   
    "game" of some sort.  One letter of Steinman's was returned   
    by Walker with this statement type-written at the end of his   
    letter, "STOP!DON'T TRY TO FIND ME I CAME ON THAT MACHINE I   
    WILL LEAVE MAY 15 ERGOT QUIET QUIET QUIET".  Another letter   
    was returned with numerals inscribed on top of various letters   
    throughout.  This is the so-called "code letter".  Another   
    piece of documentary evidence, is the type-written letter by   
    Walker to Steinman, signed by Walker, describing how 4 alien bodies   
    were recovered, alive, from a downed UFO. However, this is so   
    sensationally written that   
    researchers Cameron and Crain have labelled this as a poor   
    attempt at disinformation...or perhaps a continuation of Walker's   
    "game" with the researchers.   
      
   	However, in the past year or so, Walker seems to have   
    have taken a new tact.  Over the phone, he now denies _ever   
    even knowing who Steinman is_.  This occured in a Dec/88 call   
    to Walker by Steinman.  Walker had evidently clammed up, and   
    was now even trying to deny ever having dealt with Steinman,   
    let alone the allegations relating to his UFO involvement.  Something   
    indeed strange is going on.  Most recently, I learned that a   
    photo-copy of the original "code letter" was mailed to researcher   
    Scott Crain in a SASE Crain provided in a much earlier letter   
    sent to Walker.  Evidently, the "game" has resumed.   
      
   	Crain received this in late August, after I had spoken   
    with Walker himself in a phone conversation on August 11th.   
    Although cordial throughout, Walker lived up to his billing as   
    both evasive in answering questions, and one who it seems,   
    experiences convenient memory loss.  Witness the following   
    exchange, which took place mid-way through our phone conversation:   
      
      
   	 "(garbled)...well I did attend a lot of meetings,   
   		 but I can't remember any substantive conclusions   
   		 or anything like that."   
      
   	 "Right, and as far as what was discussed there?"   
      
   	 "As far as the what?"   
      
   	 "What was discussed, the topic, the subject matter   
   		 of those meetings?"   
      
   	 "No, I couldn't remember that at all."   
      
   	 "But, you're saying that it had nothing to with   
   		 UFOs or alien bodies, or anything like this?"   
      
   	 "Well I don't have any alien bodies in my office,   
   		 I can tell you that."   
      
      
   	In his own limited conversations with Walker back in 1984,   
    Stanton Friedman referred to Walker as "cagey and careful", and   
    stated that "My reaction to how he answered the various questions   
    was that he knew a great deal".  Five years later, I concur.   
      
   	Currently underway, researchers Cameron and Crain are   
    trying to enlist the aid of several media outlets, including some   
    within Pennsylvannia itself.  Sadly, and not surprisingly, in the   
    hands of the media, their report is going nowhere fast.  At this   
    point, most promising in this regard, is the involvement of a slick   
    on-campus magazine, who currently are sitting on this story, and   
    if all goes according to plan, will confront Walker in the next   
    couple of weeks.  Both UFONET, and CUFORN will be following all   
    the developments as they occur, and will be updating this in the   
    next issue of the _CUFORN Bulletin_.   
      
   	So far, I've only touched on a few of the facts, made   
    clear in the Cameron/Crain report.  However, I would be amiss   
    if I didn't mention that their report covers more than just   
    the story of Eric Walker, which takes up about 80 pp.  There   
    are also interesting pieces of information, also related to   
    Walker, describing the U.S. military/intelligence complex.   
    And along with information on DARPA, the Jason Group, and   
    other such institutions, there are tidbits of information,   
    much of it documented, regarding a whole bevy of UFOlogy figures.   
    Included, are Wilbur Smith, Bill Moore, Richard Doty, Linda Howe,   
    Stanton Friedman, Todd Zechel, Lee Graham, Bill Cooper, and   
    several others.  If any criticism can be made of the report,   
    and their are a few, its that it was too wide in its   
    scope, and as a consequence, particular sections didn't get   
    dealt with adequately.  Thus, the enormity of the task, coupled   
    with the constant influx of new information, were in large   
    measure responsible for the delay in having this paper published.   
    As I alluded to earlier, this paper will be made publicly   
    available soon.  If you're at all interested in the subject,   
    you'll want to read it for yourself.  Its one more contribution   
    to the amassing body of evidence, that the U.S. government is   
    indeed covering up its knowledge and activities with regard to   
    the subject of UFOs.   
      
      
      
      
    Tom Mickus, 24, is currently attending the University of Toronto.   
    In addition to this, he also is Moderator of a UFO oriented   
    computer Bulletin Board Service (BBS) Network, entitled UFONET.   
    Unlike Paranet, which I am no longer affiliated with, we are a   
    100% UFO subject related network.  We have affiliates in both   
    Canada and the U.S.  For more information, you can phone Tom   
    at 416/239-1094, or connect directly with UFONET via your computer   
    and modem by calling 416/237-1204.  You may also write him at:   
      
   	  Tom A. Mickus   
   	  UFONET BBS Network   
   	  Box 388, Station W   
   	  Toronto, Ontario, CANADA   
   	  M6M 5C1   
      
                    
     **********************************************   
     * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo *   
     **********************************************   
      
   Kurt,   
   telnet://ricksbbs.synchro.net:23   
   http://ricksbbs.synchro.net:8080   
   --- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32   
    * Origin: Rick's BBS - telnet://ricksbbs.synchro.net:23 (1:3634/60)   
   SEEN-BY: 1/120 18/0 80/1 105/81 106/201 123/0 126 180 525 755 3001   
   SEEN-BY: 123/3002 124/5016 128/187 129/14 305 153/757 7715 154/30   
   SEEN-BY: 154/110 203/0 218/700 220/6 221/0 1 222/2 226/30 227/114   
   SEEN-BY: 229/110 112 317 426 428 470 664 700 705 240/1120 5832 250/1   
   SEEN-BY: 263/1 266/512 280/464 5003 5006 291/111 292/854 8125 301/1   
   SEEN-BY: 320/219 322/757 335/364 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58   
   SEEN-BY: 633/280 712/848 1321 770/1 902/26 2320/105 3634/0 12 56 57   
   SEEN-BY: 3634/60 5020/400 5075/35   
   PATH: 3634/60 12 222/2 263/1 280/464 292/854 229/426   
      

[   << oldest   |   < older   |   list   |   newer >   |   newest >>   ]


(c) 1994,  bbs@darkrealms.ca