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|    SUBJECT: KECKSBURG CRASH CONTROVERSIAL     |
|    20 Apr 25 07:17:36    |
      TZUTC: -0400       MSGID: 116.fidonet_ufo@1:3634/60 2c6a0e44       PID: Synchronet 3.19b-Win32 master/a2a9dc027 Jan 2 2022 MSC 1928       TID: SBBSecho 3.14-Win32 master/a2a9dc027 Jan 2 2022 MSC 1928       BBSID: RICKSBBS       CHRS: UTF-8 4       SUBJECT: KECKSBURG CRASH CONTROVERSIAL FILE: UFO127                      Latrobe Bulletin        Latrobe, Pa        May 6, 1989                      KECKSBURG CRASH CONTROVERSIAL               By Kim Opatka        Bulletin Staff Writer               This final article in a six-part series on unidentified flying       objects (UFOS) examines one of the most talked about and controversial       incidents in the area, what has been termed a meteorite by some and an       alien craft by others, which crashed in Kecksburg December 9, 1965.               The object was first seen streaking across the sky, with       thousands from Michigan to New York witnessing a brilliant ball of       fire which left a smoke trail, visible for about 20 minutes after it       passed.               Many, including pilots who observed it, thought it was an       aircraft which was on fire. Reports of debris from the object were       made in many states, and an Ohio fire department was called to       extinguish 10 small fires in an area where witnesses said they saw       flaming fragments falling from the sky.               Shock waves were reported by pilots, and a seismograph near       Detroit recorded a shock, wrote investigator Stan Gordon, of       Pennsylvania Association for the Study of the Unexplained (PASU) in a       recent journal article. The crash has been a pet project of the       Greensburg man "since the night it happened," he said, noting he is       still trying to obtain information on the incident.               Although the military eventually labeled the object a meteor, as       did the Associated Press account published in The Bulletin the day       after the crash, Gordon says recent evidence, including the discovery       of a man who saw the object, supports the idea that the object was a       true UFO.               "I was a teen-ager then," said John (not his real name). "It was       in the early part of December and there was a little snow and a little       rain, and mud."               He was called to the scene after the 4:44 p.m. crash as a fireman       from the Latrobe area, to search for the crashed object.               "I had seen a fiery object in the sky. I can't say exactly which       direction but it was coming from the north. It was not too much       longer and the fire whistle went off," he said. "I answered the call       and was told they needed a search team because at the time they       believed it was a downed aircraft. And I thought, 'My God, this is       what I have just seen'."               When firemen arrived at the Kecksburg Fire Hall, maps were       reviewed and groups were given sections to search.               "It was getting semi-dusk and we had flashlights. We were taken       in the back of a truck and dropped off and told to go 'this way' which       we did. I was not on the initial contact team. Another team found       the object.               "It was definitely, unequivocally, positively, absolutely no       aircraft, plane, helicopter or rocket, at least not to my knowledge.       It was in an area that was part field and part woods and we went down       to investigate," he said.               "We found the object had crashed at a 30 to 40 degree angle, and       had broken off numerous tree branches in its impact path. My initial       reaction was 'This is no airplane.' I observed no shrapnel, no       breaking up of the fuselage. It was one solid piece, no doors, no       windows.               "Preliminary searches found no bodies or casualties. It was       shaped like an acorn, laying on its side, like the acorn nut is in its       shell when it's on a tree," he explained. "I've been a machinist for       24 years and I've worked with a tremendous amount of different metals,       and I have never seen any type of metal that looked even close to       that."               John said the object was not broken, "not even cracked, just       dented a bit. It did not give off smoke, steam or vapors, at least       none that we could see."               Reports from neighbors in the area said it had given off a faint       trail of blue smoke, which disappeared after the crash.               He described the portion visible as between eight and 10 feet       long, six and seven feet across, and said a man of average height       would probably have had little trouble standing up inside it. The       crater it plowed into the ground was "rectangular in shape."               John said the state police were there and the area was soon       quarantined.               "They drove us out. It was late at night when we finally got       back to the fire hall and it had been completely taken over by the       military. They were carrying in large pieces of equipment, radios and       such, and they had armed guards posted outside so nobody could get in       or out. The firemen were thrown out. We weren't even allowed in to       use the bathroom.               "The military had control of the whole operation," John recalled.       "After a while we saw a flat bed truck come by with some other       military equipment, a crane or something.               "It was not too much longer, an hour, an hour and a half, when       the trucks came back and there was a large object on the back of the       flat bed, covered by a tarp, with military escorts front and back. I       got the feeling that if you had stepped on the road you were dead       meat. They weren't stopping for anything."               Although the object was later said to be a meteorite, John       doesn't buy that explanation.               "It had writing on it, not like your average writing, but more       like ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics. It had sort of a bumper on it,       like a ribbon about six to 10 inches wide, and it stood out. It was       elliptical the whole way around and the writing was on this bumper.       It's nothing like I've ever seen, and I'm an avid reader. I read a       lot of books on Egypt, the Incas, Peruvians, Russians and I've never       to this day come across anything that looked like that."               John notes that later it was denied that the object was even a       meteorite, and the military "denied they were even in the area. But I       know there were Air Force and Army personnel involved. It was like       they just came out of the woodwork."               Gordon's research has revealed that one of the military groups       involved was most likely to be the 662nd Radar Squadron, based at the       Oakdale Armory, located near Greater Pittsburgh International Airport.               The squadron was found to be under the control of the Aerospace       Defense Command, and attempts to get information on the Kecksburg       crash, through the Freedom of Information Act, have not provided much       to go on.               One response said there had been no record of the squadron being       activated on that date, Gordon said, wondering how so much equipment       and personnel could be activated while the monthly report showed no       entry on Dec. 9.               Through his research, Gordon says he knows the Air Force was       still investigating UFO cases at the public level then, and that it       was apparently the Project Blue Book staff which contacted the 662nd       squadron. Subsequent reports have led him to theorize that even the       Project Blue Book staff was not made aware of objects which could       "affect national security," and that some intelligence teams       investigated crashes of "foreign space vehicles."               Another strange occurrence that night, Gordon said, was reports by       some civilians that radiation was released. He explained that some       children playing in the area had reportedly been told by military       personnel that that was a possibility, and men in decontamination       suits were allegedly seen at the site later the next day.               Although he has considered the possibility that the object could       have been space debris or a test device, Gordon says documents and       evidence obtained in the last few years lead more in the direction of       it being a "true UFO."               John concurs.        "It was definitely not of this planet. At the time I was a       skeptical teen, but when you see something like that you don't forget       it. When you get called out like that from the fire department you       think you're going out looking for an aircraft of some sort, not a       UFO.               "I'll never forget it. I still want to know what the hell it       was."                       **********************************************        * THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ufo *        **********************************************              Carol,       telnet://ricksbbs.synchro.net:23       http://ricksbbs.synchro.net:8080       --- SBBSecho 3.14-Win32        * Origin: Rick's BBS - telnet://ricksbbs.synchro.net:23 (1:3634/60)       SEEN-BY: 1/120 18/0 80/1 105/81 106/201 123/0 126 180 525 755 3001       SEEN-BY: 123/3002 124/5016 128/187 129/305 153/757 7715 154/30 110       SEEN-BY: 203/0 218/700 220/6 221/0 1 222/2 226/30 227/114 229/110       SEEN-BY: 229/114 317 426 428 470 664 700 705 240/1120 5832 250/1 263/1       SEEN-BY: 266/512 280/464 5003 5006 291/111 292/854 8125 301/1 320/219       SEEN-BY: 322/757 335/364 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 633/280       SEEN-BY: 712/848 1321 770/1 902/26 2320/105 3634/0 12 56 57 60 5020/400       SEEN-BY: 5075/35       PATH: 3634/60 12 222/2 263/1 280/464 292/854 229/426           |
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