MSGID: 2:221/6.0 65dfc4c8   
   REPLY: 1:153/7001.2989 65de89b6   
   PID: SmapiNNTPd/Linux/IPv6 kco 20240209   
   NOTE: Sylpheed 3.2.0 (GTK+ 2.10.14; i686-pc-mingw32).   
   CHRS: UTF-8 4   
   TZUTC: 0200   
   TID: hpt/lnx 1.9 2024-02-05   
   On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 01:17:42 GMT   
   "Maurice Kinal -> Serak the Preparer" <2989@7001.153.1> wrote:   
      
    MK> :read !trans -b -no-ansi -t he "To pronounce it correctly, I would   
    MK> have to pull out your tongue." | sed 's/^ *//'   
    MK> .ךלש ןושלה תא ףולשל ךרטצא ,ןוכנ הז תא   
    MK> אטבל ידכ   
    MK>   
    MK> Note that the above is Hebrew ... or should be ... and I took the   
    MK> liberty of stripping out the leading spaces since a 4k terminal results   
      
   The hebrew letters appear to be fine under my nntp read Sylpheed.   
      
      
    +1   
      
   However, an nntp reader is outside the scope of what fidonet is.   
      
      
    MK> As shown the Hebrew Subject line is exactly 46 utf-8 characters which   
    MK> *should* fit into a FTN Subject which can be up to 71 characters.   
    MK> However a byte count yeilds 82 bytes which the typical FTN abandonware   
    MK> will consider too long and chop off the last (actually first since   
    MK> Hebrew is read right to left) 12 bytes. Note I say bytes and not   
    MK> characters since DOS-think types cannot count straight, especially when   
    MK> they treat stings as numbers. Very sad.   
      
   Solution: FTS should limit utf-8 chars only to the message body only.   
      
      
    MK> So much for utf-8 and FTS-5003. As is that document is sadly lacking   
    MK> wrt utf-8 charcters and probably should have it's own documentation in   
    MK> order to escape crippleware developers.   
      
   I would tend to agree.   
      
   Anyhow.. it seems that utf-8 was "approved" without the evidence of ample   
   usage of utf-8.   
      
      
    MK> Also there is no such thing as LATIN-1. It is the end result of some   
    MK> Gatesian nightmare you can never wake up from.   
      
   No comment.   
      
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