From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos
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Subject: Re: IDW Does Harlan Ellison
In article ,
Jim G. wrote:
> Daniel sent the following on Tue, 15 Jul 2014 21:04:08 +1000:
> > On 15/07/2014 12:30 PM, A Friend wrote:
> > > In article , Jim G.
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> A classic revisited, just as Harlan envisioned it...
> > >>
> > >> The City that Never Sleeps or Goes Away: Harlan Ellison and Star Trek,
> > >> Again
> > >>
> > >> http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/07/the-city-that-never-slee
s-or-goes-away-
> > >> harla
> > >> n-ellison-and-star-trek-again
> > >> or http://preview.tinyurl.com/l4sppdm
> > >>
> > >> QUOTE
> > >> Adapted for the comics by IDWes primary Trek writers Scott and David
> > >> Tipton, and with beautiful art by J.K. Woodward (who did slick work on
> > >> the Doctor Who/TNG crossover a few years ago) everything about this
> > >> release is totally legit. In the debut issue of this limited run (there
> > >> will be five in all) IDW Trek editor Chris Ryall writes fondly about how
> > >> this venture was his idea, and one that took some convincing of
> > >> everybody to go along with. In his words, over time anose turned into
> > >> ahmmmms.e
> > >> END QUOTE
> > >>
> > >> Okay, so how long until Ellison sues IDW over something about this?
> > >
> > >
> > > I read the original script about 35 years ago, and I don't remember
> > > anything about a Bizarro World Enterprise.
> > >
> > > The article asks the question, "And yet, now nearly 50 years later,
> > > with numerous Treks behind us, the question still nags: would EllisonAs
> > > original script for oThe City on the Edge of Forever,o have been better
> > > than what ended up on screen?" I don't think so. The story is not
> > > about Beckwith, it's about Kirk and Edith Keeler, and Kirk's duty to
> > > history and the future. The story didn't require Beckwith or anybody
> > > like Beckwith. Accidentally overdosing McCoy gets things rolling quite
> > > nicely.
> > >
> > > Ellison's ending -- with Beckwith stuck in a time loop getting
> > > annihilated every few seconds inside a nova -- is beyond melodramatic.
> > > In the show as seen, Kirk's final line, "Let's get the hell out of
> > > here," is powerful, especially in a day when saying "hell" on U.S. tv
> > > was a very rare thing indeed.
> > >
> > > BTW the really confusing thing about City is just how history was
> > > changed. Everybody thinks McCoy saved Edith from getting run over by
> > > that truck, and that wasn't the case. The creepy little guy at the
> > > rescue mission (his name in Ellison's script is Rodent) eventually
> > > rapes and murders Edith. He doesn't do so in the changed history
> > > because he fiddled with McCoy's phaser and disintegrated himself. The
> > > significance of this was purposefully obscured, but that's why the
> > > phaser scene is in there. What's also not explained is why Kirk and
> > > Spock simply didn't take Edith with them into the future, which would
> > > have effectively "killed" her in 1930. Neither story ever explains why
> > > Edith's death was necessary.
> > >
> > > Also, Clark Gable didn't make a movie until 1931.
> > >
> > Hasn't the Edith Keeler story line been mentioned here as a possible ST
> > 13 re-do storyline??
>
> It's almost always mentioned as something worth a revisit, but I think
> that everyone is just waiting for Harlan to die so that the chance of a
> lawsuit is diminished. I was very surprised not only to see him agree to
> this comic book treatment, but for IDW to risk the wrath of Ellison's
> lawyers if the little twit ended up unhappy with things. But then again,
> I suspect that IDW's own lawyers aren't too shabby, either.
Okay, seriously, when have you ever seen HE sue because he didn't like
the outcome, as opposed to, they just stole the idea? If he doesn't
like the changes, he just gives them the Cordwainer Bird. The people he
sues are, for instance, Jim Cameron, who not only stole two of his
stories (and a couple from others as well) but went around BRAGGING
about it.* He sued and won against Paramount for FUTURE COP, Paramount
turning over an inter office menu saying "let's screw over this little
Jew and steal his idea" and used the settlement to buy a billboard
across the street encouraging writers not to roll over and take it in
the backside. He's had a bunch of suits against people that illegally
posted his work online. He withdrew his suit against IN TIME when they
changed it enough. He sued Paramount for not paying him royalties on
CITY for 40 years. He sued the lazy and worthless Writer's Guild for
making him sue other people in the first place (heh).
When he doesn't like the outcome? He gave the Cordwainer Bird to:
2 episodes of THE HUNGER (the series)
2 movie compilations of THE STARLOST (rather famously)
All 16 episodes of THE STARLOST
1 episode of THE FLYING NUN
And as near as I can tell, that's it, with no overlap of suing and
giving them the Bird.
*The sole exception I know of HE suing over something other than having
his work stolen being Fantagraphics, who posted lies about him on their
website, and he won, 'cause they were lies, and didn't take any money -
all he wanted was their lies taken off their website.
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Wait - are you saying that ClodReamer was wrong, or lying?
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