From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos   
   From Address: YourName@YourISP.com   
   Subject: Re: [OT] Awesome and funny Tesla car review (link)   
      
   In article ,   
   anim8rFSK  wrote:   
   > In article <180520141547076911%YourName@YourISP.com>,   
   >  Your Name  wrote:   
   > > In article ,   
   > > anim8rFSK  wrote:   
   > > > In article <180520141323062716%YourName@YourISP.com>,   
   > > >  Your Name  wrote:   
   > > > > In article ,   
   > > > > anim8rFSK  wrote:   
   > > > > > In article <180520141014073156%YourName@YourISP.com>,   
   > > > > >  Your Name  wrote:   
   > > > > > > In article , Jan Alter   
   > > > > > >  wrote:   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Delightful.   
   > > > > > > >    
   > > > > > > >     No more oil changes.   
   > > > > > >    
   > > > > > > I don't know about that review link, but electric cars still use   
   > > > > > > oil to lubricate the various moving parts (wheel bearings, etc.)    
   > > > > > > as well as in the production of much of the world's electricity.    
   > > > > >    
   > > > > > Most of it's sealed, but you've got battery pack coolant, brake   
   > > > > > fluid,    
   > > > > > gearbox oil, windshield wiper fluid, whatever it uses for 'freon'   
   ...    
   > > > > > you have to have $600 a year in service from Tesla where presumably    
   > > > > > they'll do all that; of course, there's not a Tesla dealer within   
   the    
   > > > > > car's driving range of me, so that would be a problem.   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Anyone who believes electric cars are a panacea to the "oil   
   crisis"    
   > > > > > > or   
   > > > > > > the "green revolution" is simply a blinkered moron.   
   > > > > >    
   > > > > > Yeah, they've bought into 'tailpipe emissions' and don't realize   
   that    
   > > > > > as    
   > > > > > much or more pollution is being generated, just upstream.   
   > > > >    
   > > > > Also "downstream" in trying to get rid of all those extra toxic   
   > > > > batteries. Plus, since the pile of batteries inside them will   
   > > > > expensively need to be replaced fairly often, most people will simply   
   > > > > upgrade to a newer car (one of the real reasons behind the push), which   
   > > > > means then also means extra material to be disposed of.   
   > > > >    
   > > > >    
   > > > > Here in New Zealand, they've just started new electric trains in   
   > > > > Auckland City (some parts, since not all the lines are electrified yet)   
   > > > > and are boasting about how great they are ... except they have to keep   
   > > > > the old diesel trains around beacuse when the electricty goes down the   
   > > > > only way to then move the stupid new trains is by towing them with a   
   > > > > real train. :-\   
   > > >    
   > > > LOL   
   > >    
   > > It would be funny if it wasn't tax-payer money being wasted on buying   
   > > something like 38 new trains to run on a railway system that only has   
   > > two lines and a dead-end city centre station with only four platforms.   
   > > Not to mention that they couldn't run the system they had properly.    
   > > :-\   
   > >    
   > > The morons in charge now want to waste piles more money digging an   
   > > underground "City Loop" line (including buying and compensating   
   > > affected building owners) that comes out of the dead-end station and   
   > > goes up under the main city centre street to join in to the existing   
   > > line back at the top ... this is after having had a free bus service   
   > > running up and down the main street that was under-used.   
   >    
   > Yeah.  And they try desperately to force you to take the bus to jury    
   > duty,    
      
   Ahh, Jury Duty. I did that once and it was a complete waste of a week.   
   The next time I got my boss to write a letter saying I was   
   indispensable and couldn't go, the next two times I was self-employed   
   so couldn't go again.   
      
      
      
      
   > and it's just a nightmare - I'd have to take a cab to the bus    
   > station!  They really somehow think everybody just lives within easy    
   > walking distance of a bus stop.   
      
   The problem is compounded in Auckland due to two factors.   
   Geographically the city is stuck on a narrow strip of land between two   
   coastlines and two indented harbours. Then there's the citizens who   
   don't want multi-storey blocks, so the city has and continues to spread   
   outwards, rather than up. With a population of just over 1 million and   
   a land area about the same as Greater London, that means the population   
   density simply can't support a good public transport system.   
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