From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos   
   From Address: anim8rfsk@cox.net   
   Subject: Re: The alt.tv.star-trek.tos FAQ   
      
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    Graeme  wrote:   
      
   > On Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:43:12 PM UTC-6, anim8rfsk wrote:   
   > > Check out the historical records in COURT MARTIAL.   
   >    
   > Bridge recordings, yes.  I wouldn't be surprised if they record that 24/7.     
   > If the scenes in Archer/Kirk's quarters are from historical records, that's    
   > kind of creepy.  No wonder nobody goes to the bathroom on Star Trek.   
      
   Of course in The Menagerie they said no ship kept records that detailed    
   so maybe it was a new addition.  :)   
   >    
   >    
   > > What was shown on screen throughout the entire series was that it was    
   > > completely out of continuity with real Trek.  What was shown in the     
   > > terrible finale was that it was a holonovel.   
   >    
   > That's the bottom line.  Wiseguy, who's so insistent that we go by what's    
   > onscreen... refuses to acknowledge what's onscreen.   
   >    
   >    
   > > Well, quasi historical.  Like a James Mitchner book.  Or a Dixon Hill    
   > > game.   
   >    
   > Well, that's the real question.  Is the book based on a "real" Captain    
   > Archer, or is he fictional even within the fictional world of Star Trek?    
   I'm    
   > guessing that there was no Captain Archer at all.  If there had been, his    
   > estate would be suing the publisher of the holonovel for portraying him as    
   > such an incompetent buffoon.   
      
   Yeah, it's tough to fanwank why there isn't an NX on the wall of    
   Enterprises in TMP, or why the Time Cops didn't know about it in Trials    
   and Tribbleations, etc. etc. etc. or why pretty much everything that    
   happens in Enterprise contradicts real Trek.  Enterprise really really    
   really needed a finale that undid it, like Voyager got, and while a Time    
   War wipe out would have been more welcome to me, the holonovel finale    
   does the job.  It's weird though that if there wasn't a real guy, that    
   Riker was hoping to get inspiration by watching Archer's stirring speech    
   but ... after watching the ghastly events of the finale, Riker decided    
   not to bother watching the speech at all, even though that was the    
   entire point of the ep, so, who knows.   
      
   I'd have still vastly preferred that the exploits of Archer the    
   Executioner had led to the Mirror Universe, and the reason the Kirkverse    
   was so much better was that Archer had been run over by a lumbering beer    
   truck like Edith Keeler or something.   
      
   Whether he was real at any point or not or in any series or not, I think    
   we have to concede that Archer didn't exist in the Kirkverse.   
      
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   Wait - are you saying that ClodReamer was wrong, or lying?   
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