From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos   
   From Address: not@chance.dude   
   Subject: Re: My biggest problem with Star Trek (2009)   
      
   Karl Johanson wrote:   
   >>>>> "Wickeddoll"   
   >>>>>>>> Magnus, Robot Fighter wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>> That much too much use of humor.   
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   >>>>>>>>> ESPECIALLY   
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   >>>>>>>>> Right before the destruction of the Narada. The cavalier joking    
   >>>>>>>>> "You   
   >>>>>>>>> got it" extermination of the enemy. YES the guy killed 6 billion   
   >>>>>>>>> people, but that should make the vengence less of a joke, not more.   
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   >>>>>>>>> Overall though it was enjoyable fare.   
   >>>>>>>> But aren't they the villains?  Haven't seen it in a while, but    
   >>>>>>>> villains often make light of murder.   
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   >>>>>>>> Natalie   
   >>>>>>> Im talking about Kirk and Spock making jokes before opening fire on   
   >>>>>>> the Narada while it was being pulled into the Black Hole.   
   >>>>>> OK. I guess my military background makes me less sympathetic to a    
   >>>>>> vessel that had the sole mission of destroying all of humanity, as    
   >>>>>> well as the Vulcans.  Sure, there were probably children aboard, but    
   >>>>>> like the Taliban regarding the west,   
   >>>>> I'm no fan of the Taliban; but what's your evidence that they're    
   >>>>> indoctrinating people to hate "the west"?   
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   >>>>> Karl Johanson   
   >>>> I've seen videos of their using a Mickey-Mouse type character to    
   >>>> denounce the west, as well as training of children to hate the US as    
   >>>> soon as they're able to speak.  I can't believe you haven't seen stuff    
   >>>> like this?!   
   >>> When making such allegations, it's usually considered a good idea to    
   >>> check if it's actually true. It's possible, for example, that it was oh    
   >>> maybe Hamas that did that and not the Taliban. You have internet access,    
   >>> why don't you look that up & see if you're correct. And get back to us.   
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   > So you just accused a group of people of doing something that another group    
   > had actually done & you don't acknowledge your error... I hope no one ever    
   > accuses you of something you haven't done.   
      
   OK Now I get what you're saying.  But yes, I HAVE seen footage of    
   children in Afghanistan being indoctrinated.  The Mickey Mouse thing was    
   significant in showing how such groups breed lifelong hatred into    
   children.  They do it here too, with various extremists groups, but none    
   of them here have the power these middle eastern groups have.   
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   >>> And my question was, "I'm no fan of the Taliban; but what's your evidence    
   >>> that they're indoctrinating people to hate "the west"?" I didn't ask what    
   >>> evidence you might have about indoctrinating people to specifically hate    
   >>> the US, which is only part of "the west."   
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   >>> Karl Johanson   
   >> 'Scuse me for believing some of the numerous reports (not all by the    
   >> western press) that have stated over and over, as well as shown visual    
   >> proof of, anti-western (Britain, America, etc.)   
   >    
   > Again I'll ask, what evidence? The only evidence you presented was something    
   > Hamas did, not the Taliban. You might as well condemn the US for something    
   > Venezuela did.   
      
   See above.   
      
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   >> I'm not interested in getting into a pissing contest over the nearly    
   >> genetic hatred that has festered over centuries in the middle east.  If    
   >> you don't want to believe it, that's your prerogative.   
   >    
   > I didn't say I didn't believe that the Taliban hasn't indoctrinated hatred    
   > against 'the west.' I asked what evidence you have that that's the case.    
   > Asking a question isn't the same as saying "I don't believe you." Again, I'm    
   > no fan of the Taliban (theocrats always scare me).   
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   > Karl Johanson    
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   I can't cite the numerous reports I've seen over the years, so there we    
   are, but I maintain they don't consider us their friends, and they want    
   to bring us down.   
      
   As for theocracies, that was my main point here:   
      
   http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/dec/13/reasons-separate-church-and-state/   
      
   Natalie   
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