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|    Re: Vulcan Racism Vs. IDIC?    |
|    29 Dec 09 11:10:35    |
      From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos       From Address: graemecree@aol.com       Subject: Re: Vulcan Racism Vs. IDIC?              I'm not sure how much of that was deliberate and how much was simply       the difficulty in writing dialogue for someone who is supposed to be       smarter than the author.              The Vulcans in Star Trek XI are certainly intended to be annoying.       There's no way that fact could have escaped the writers' notice. But       something like Spock being unable to beat the computer at chess       because he "gave it all his knowledge", or not knowing the difference       between a draw and a stalemate, was the writer's fault, not Spock's.       He almost surely didn't intend for Spock to look silly there.              The bits about Spock being able to calculate precise odds, down to       decimal points (2224.7 to 1 that the Horta won't get us both even if       we search together) were semi-whimsical situations, but the joke seems       to be that Spock would be anal-retentive to actually calculate this       stuff, rather than that he was just pulling numbers out of his a$$,       and hoping that nobody would call him on it. So again, that seems to       be the writer being ridiculous rather than him intending for Spock to       be ridiculous.              Ditto with Sarek having nothing better to do than keep a mental tally       of his age down to two digits, in EARTH years (a number he'd have to       update about every 53 minutes). I think the writer was trying (and       failing) to make Sarek look brainy, rather than ridiculous.                     Also ditto with the long-running Trek schtick that super-intelligent       beings can NEVER grasp the concept of slang, no matter how much       exposure they have to it.              I suspect (but am not old enough to really know) that a lot of Vulcan       philosphy was based on Ayn Rand. She called her ideas "Objectivism",       but constantly sneaked in suppositions without recognizing them as       BEING suppositions. I remember a friend and I reading one of her       books once (Possibly "The Virtue of Selfishness", but I'm not sure       now), and she explicitly addressed a question that we had both asked.              To put it very simply, there are statements about how things are       (descriptive statements), and statements about how things ought to be       (normative statements). Basically, she was claiming to reach       normative conclusions simply from the facts (i.e. without making any       normative assumptions). We didn't think this was possible. She       addressed the question, but her answer to this was something about       "Every IS implies an OUGHT". It was a principle that helped her reach       the conclusions she was trying to reach, but which had to be       frequently ignored whenever inconvenient. She was very anti-       socialist, for example, and would NEVER have argued that the IS of       socialism implies that it OUGHT to be. So, the principle was       forgotten when discussing that topic. That sounds a LOT like Star       Trek's Prime Directive, and Vulcan philosophy, doesn't it? I wonder       if that's a coincidence.                     Anyway, most of the time in TOS, when the Vulcans looked idiotic, I       didn't think it was the writer's intention to make them look bad. But       in Trek XI, yeah, no question, the writers were trying to make them       look bad that time. They were nasty, they were racist (by 2009       standards), they were unlikable. And by the end of the movie, they       were dead.       --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux NewsLink 1.92-mlp        * Origin: http://groups.google.com (1:2320/105.97)       --- SBBSecho 2.12-Linux        * Origin: telnet & http://cco.ath.cx - Dial-Up: 502-875-8938 (1:2320/105.1)    |
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