From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos
From Address: liam@valentijn.nu
Subject: Re: Star Trek 2009, I saw it this week (spoilers if you haven't seen
it yet)
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> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
> *snip*
>>
>>>>>> I consider this movie to be a totally alternate timeline, only a
>>>>>> few levels more serious than 'In the Pirkering'.
>>>>>> When did this timeline start to splice of? I think even before Nero
>>>>>> showed up.
>>>>> I think before Kirk and co. got halfway through the Academy.
>>>> Nero showed up (in the past) before Kirk & co. got half way through
>>>> the Academy, so yeah. :-)
>>>> George Kirk died before his time. In the prime line he lived to see
>>>> his son become captain.
>>> I barely remember anything about Kirk's dad from TOS. I can't even
>>> tell you if I heard about him in any of the eps. Was he mentioned?
>>
>> In the Eps? I don't think so.
>> Only in this movie we got to know George..
>> Before that we only knew about George through the novels...
>>
> I don't remember him from the movies either - was it "Final Frontier"? If
> so, I only suffered through that one twice, and purged it from my
> memory...
Nope, only in XI.
>>
>>>> BTW... Speaking of stardates... Here they used actual years as the
>>>> base for stardates. Another departure from the prime line.
>>> A welcome one for me - I never could understand those gawddamn
>>> stardates!
>>
>> In TOS there was no real system to it. Only slightly sequential.
>> Later on from TNG it became code for the 24th century (in which that
>> played) and the season (IRL).
>> The old Stardates did give an extra air of mystery to everything I think.
>
> No, it was just annoying LOL
>>
>>>>>> The red matter was a curious find for this movie. We know Romulan
>>>>>> Warbirds are powered by a singularity but I understand this Red
>>>>>> Matter has a different origin. I did half and half expect Sidney
>>>>>> Bristow to show up, stopping Nero. :-)
>>>>> Heh, I didn't even catch that part - but I'll watch really carefully
>>>>> when my DVD arrives.
>>>> I think the red blob FX was very similar to what could be seen in
>>>> 'Alias'.
>>> I boycotted Alias because it was a total ripoff of "La Femme Nikita" -
>>> they even stole a scene from LFN for the Alias pilot, that had been in
>>> the LFN pilot! At least they were up front with their theft.
>>
>> At first I didn't like LFN. That Michael guy made me slightly ill
>> whenever I
>> saw his face.
>> But then again there were wonderful characters like Paul and Madeline
>> that
>> scared the hell out of me!
>
> OH, man, it's a good thing you never made that crack about Roy Dupuis to
> any of the "Royettes" - those girls are *vicious*! They hated my guts
> just cuz I didn't think he was attractive (just not my type) - it was
> insane! Read this post I made to try to calm those hysterical broads down:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ye65c24
Good post. You explained yourself correctly.
>
> The lady who played "Madeline", Alberta Watson, is actually a friend of
> mine.
I think you mentioned that once a couple of years back or so.
> We're still in touch, mostly through our mutual friend Cathy (Alberta
> lives in Toronto, but always keeps a pipeline for me through Cathy) Here
> she is, hugging my son, back in 2000 (she never touched any of the fans at
> cons, except those of us who really were her friends as well as fans):
>
> http://www.wegrokspock.net/pageimages/albertacraiglcaRS.jpg
That's rare I think. For actors to be that close to fans.
>>>>> Now, I *did not* like what they did with Vulcan. Just didn't mesh.
>>>> I didn't like that either.
>>> I'd hate for them to hit a reset button to bring Amanda back, but
>>> ditching her was a mistake.
>>
>> Maybe Star Trek XII will be: "The Search for Spock's Mom." ;-)
>
> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> It starts as this sloppy homage to Trek's past and at the end it
>>>>>> finishes relatively well.
>>>>> Sounds like you enjoyed it a lot less than I did, but I think you're
>>>>> fair in your assessments.
>>>> I didn't hate it. :-)
>>> hehehe - guess it could be worse.
>>
>> I even look forward to the next ones.
>
> Me too.
>>
>>>>>> Relatively because they were not able to save Amanda and Vulcan.
>>>>>> But again since I consider those not to be 'our' Amanda and
>>>>>> Vulcan, the loss isn't felt that strong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, losing Amanda was a big mistake, IMO - just wasn't any real
>>>>> point to it. We know damned well Spock isn't going to implode (at
>>>>> least not
>>>>> publicly) so the dramatic effect was wanting. Sarek reacted with
>>>>> more emotion than Spock, which *was* interesting, but not worth
>>>>> losing the character of Amanda.
>>>> It was used mostly as a story device to make Spock go crazy after
>>>> being provoked by Kirk.
>>>> That in itself was a nod to several episodes of TOS.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yeah, but she could have been missing; his anxiety of wondering about
>>> her could have had the same effect.
>>
>> The way she died seemed very definitive. :-(
>>
>>
>
> No, I mean instead of killing her off, they could have just had her
> missing. The moment's gone now.
It seems that way yes.
--
Wouter Valentijn www.j3v.net
http://www.nksf.scifics.com/startrek.html
Buffy: This is the Initiative Xander. Military guys and scientists do not
make out with each other.
Xander: Well maybe that's what's wrong with the world. Ever think about
that?
'Buffy the Vampire Slayer 4x14: Goodbye Iowa'
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