From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos   
   From Address: not@chance.dude   
   Subject: Re: Star Trek 2009, I saw it this week (spoilers if you haven't   
   seenit yet)   
      
   Wouter Valentijn wrote:   
   *snip*   
   >    
   >>>>> I consider this movie to be a totally alternate timeline, only a   
   >>>>> few levels more serious than 'In the Pirkering'.   
   >>>>> When did this timeline start to splice of? I think even before Nero   
   >>>>> showed up.   
   >>>> I think before Kirk and co. got halfway through the Academy.   
   >>> Nero showed up (in the past) before Kirk & co. got half way through   
   >>> the Academy, so yeah. :-)   
   >>> George Kirk died before his time. In the prime line he lived to see   
   >>> his son become captain.   
   >> I barely remember anything about Kirk's dad from TOS.  I can't even   
   >> tell you if I heard about him in any of the eps.  Was he mentioned?   
   >    
   > In the Eps? I don't think so.   
   > Only in this movie we got to know George..   
   > Before that we only knew about George through the novels...   
   >    
   I don't remember him from the movies either - was it "Final Frontier"?    
   If so, I only suffered through that one twice, and purged it from my    
   memory...   
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   >>> BTW... Speaking of stardates... Here they used actual years as the   
   >>> base for stardates. Another departure from the prime line.   
   >> A welcome one for me - I never could understand those gawddamn   
   >> stardates!   
   >    
   > In TOS there was no real system to it. Only slightly sequential.   
   > Later on from TNG  it became code for the 24th century (in which that   
   > played) and the season (IRL).   
   > The old Stardates did give an extra air of mystery to everything I think.   
      
   No, it was just annoying LOL   
   >    
   >>>>> The red matter was a curious find for this movie. We know Romulan   
   >>>>> Warbirds are powered by a singularity but I understand this Red   
   >>>>> Matter has a different origin. I did half and half expect Sidney   
   >>>>> Bristow to show up, stopping Nero. :-)   
   >>>> Heh, I didn't even catch that part - but I'll watch really carefully   
   >>>> when my DVD arrives.   
   >>> I think the red blob FX was very similar to what could be seen in   
   >>> 'Alias'.   
   >> I boycotted Alias because it was a total ripoff of "La Femme Nikita" -   
   >> they even stole a scene from LFN for the Alias pilot, that had been in   
   >> the LFN pilot!  At least they were up front with their theft.   
   >    
   > At first I didn't like LFN. That Michael guy made me slightly ill whenever I   
   > saw his face.   
   > But then again there were wonderful characters like Paul and Madeline that   
   > scared the hell out of me!   
      
   OH, man, it's a good thing you never made that crack about Roy Dupuis to    
   any of the "Royettes" - those girls are *vicious*!  They hated my guts    
   just cuz I didn't think he was attractive (just not my type) - it was    
   insane! Read this post I made to try to calm those hysterical broads down:   
      
   http://tinyurl.com/ye65c24   
      
   The lady who played "Madeline", Alberta Watson, is actually a friend of    
   mine.  We're still in touch, mostly through our mutual friend Cathy    
   (Alberta lives in Toronto, but always keeps a pipeline for me through    
   Cathy) Here she is, hugging my son, back in 2000 (she never touched any    
   of the fans at cons, except those of us who really were her friends as    
   well as fans):   
      
   http://www.wegrokspock.net/pageimages/albertacraiglcaRS.jpg   
      
   She's *way* cool - and just as tough as Madeline. Here's the LFN stuff I    
   added to my Trek site:   
      
   http://www.wegrokspock.net/CQS.htm   
   >    
   >>>>> The heroes. Well, vehicular wise this was a very different Kirk.   
   >>>>> Not surprising since the focal point of the changes was his life.   
   >>>>> The same goes for most of the characters. Most close to the   
   >>>>> originals were Quinto as Spock (mostly because of his looks) and   
   >>>>> Urban as McCoy (almost too good a match). Really totally different   
   >>>>> were Chekov and Scott. The latter being borderline ADHD I think.   
   >>>>> And what was that short angry alien doing there? He reminded me of   
   >>>>> Zathras a bit.   
   >>>> Not his fault, but I know Urban too well from Xena, so I kept   
   >>>> expecting him to be called "Caesar" LOL.  As for his take on Bones,   
   >>>> I thought he   
   >>>> overdid it a little, but was *way* better than Trinnear's   
   >>>> Bones-esque take on Enterprise.  I wish they'd done much more with   
   >>>> the little alien guy.  I thought Chekov (a real Russian, no less) was   
   >>>> hilarious.   
   >>> I do remember seeing Caesar on Xena, but for a million years I would   
   >>> not recognize Caesar in Bones.   
   >> hehehe - I kept seeing that annoying "Sylar" from "Heroes" every time   
   >> Quinto opened his mouth.  He needs to develop a separate voice for   
   >> Spock, that greatly differs from Sylar, IMO.  Everything else in his   
   >> performance was perfect, though; even the body language.   
   >    
   > Yes. Although I also thought that every moment he could start pointing his   
   > index finger at somebody. :-)   
      
   LOL me too!   
   >    
   *snip*   
      
   >>>> Now, I *did not* like what they did with Vulcan.  Just didn't mesh.   
   >>> I didn't like that either.   
   >> I'd hate for them to hit a reset button to bring Amanda back, but   
   >> ditching her was a mistake.   
   >    
   > Maybe Star Trek XII will be: "The Search for Spock's Mom." ;-)   
      
   NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!   
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   >    
   >>>>> It starts as this sloppy homage to Trek's past and at the end it   
   >>>>> finishes relatively well.   
   >>>> Sounds like you enjoyed it a lot less than I did, but I think you're   
   >>>> fair in your assessments.   
   >>> I didn't hate it. :-)   
   >> hehehe - guess it could be worse.   
   >    
   > I even look forward to the next ones.   
      
   Me too.   
   >    
   >>>>> Relatively because they were not able to save Amanda and Vulcan.   
   >>>>> But again since I consider those not to be 'our' Amanda and   
   >>>>> Vulcan, the loss isn't felt that strong.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> Yeah, losing Amanda was a big mistake, IMO - just wasn't any real   
   >>>> point to it.  We know damned well Spock isn't going to implode (at   
   >>>> least not   
   >>>> publicly) so the dramatic effect was wanting.  Sarek reacted with   
   >>>> more emotion than Spock, which *was* interesting, but not worth   
   >>>> losing the character of Amanda.   
   >>> It was used mostly as a story device to make Spock go crazy after   
   >>> being provoked by Kirk.   
   >>> That in itself was a nod to several episodes of TOS.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >> Yeah, but she could have been missing; his anxiety of wondering about   
   >> her could have had the same effect.   
   >    
   > The way she died seemed very definitive. :-(   
   >    
   >    
      
   No, I mean instead of killing her off, they could have just had her    
   missing.  The moment's gone now.   
      
   Natalie   
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