From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos
From Address: liam@valentijn.nu
Subject: Re: Star Trek 2009, I saw it this week (spoilers if you haven't seen
it yet)
Wickeddoll wrote:
> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>> Wickeddoll wrote:
>>> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>>>> Mind you, I already saw several trailers and read dozens of
>>>> spoilers. It wasn't that new to me. :-)
>>> Glad to see ya posting again, cutie!
>>
>> Ah, shucks, here I go with the blushing again! :-)
>
> Well you *are* cute!
>>
>>>> Some assumptions I made were wrong. I thought there would be only
>>>> one age for Nero whilst another poster with whom I had a discussion
>>>> about this said there were decades between. He was obviously right.
>>>> Advance Scout? Those twelve hundred quatloos are transferred!
>>> I have no idea WTF you're talking about - but that's okay, since the
>>> movie will be in my mailbox next week, from Amazon.
>>
>> Let me see if I can dig up that post.
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.star-trek.tos/msg/0312d
5980dddeb7?hl=nl
>
> Um... OK :-D
>>
>> BTW, I see that I was right about the mind meld. :-)
>
> Showoff
:-D
>>
>>>> I consider this movie to be a totally alternate timeline, only a
>>>> few levels more serious than 'In the Pirkering'.
>>>> When did this timeline start to splice of? I think even before Nero
>>>> showed up.
>>> I think before Kirk and co. got halfway through the Academy.
>>
>> Nero showed up (in the past) before Kirk & co. got half way through
>> the Academy, so yeah. :-)
>> George Kirk died before his time. In the prime line he lived to see
>> his son become captain.
>
> I barely remember anything about Kirk's dad from TOS. I can't even
> tell you if I heard about him in any of the eps. Was he mentioned?
In the Eps? I don't think so.
Only in this movie we got to know George..
Before that we only knew about George through the novels...
>> BTW... Speaking of stardates... Here they used actual years as the
>> base for stardates. Another departure from the prime line.
>
> A welcome one for me - I never could understand those gawddamn
> stardates!
In TOS there was no real system to it. Only slightly sequential.
Later on from TNG it became code for the 24th century (in which that
played) and the season (IRL).
The old Stardates did give an extra air of mystery to everything I think.
>>
>>>> The red matter was a curious find for this movie. We know Romulan
>>>> Warbirds are powered by a singularity but I understand this Red
>>>> Matter has a different origin. I did half and half expect Sidney
>>>> Bristow to show up, stopping Nero. :-)
>>> Heh, I didn't even catch that part - but I'll watch really carefully
>>> when my DVD arrives.
>>
>> I think the red blob FX was very similar to what could be seen in
>> 'Alias'.
>
> I boycotted Alias because it was a total ripoff of "La Femme Nikita" -
> they even stole a scene from LFN for the Alias pilot, that had been in
> the LFN pilot! At least they were up front with their theft.
At first I didn't like LFM. That Michael guy made me slightly ill whenever I
saw his face.
But then again there were wonderful characters like Paul and Madeline that
scared the hell out of me!
>>
>>>> The heroes. Well, vehicular wise this was a very different Kirk.
>>>> Not surprising since the focal point of the changes was his life.
>>>> The same goes for most of the characters. Most close to the
>>>> originals were Quinto as Spock (mostly because of his looks) and
>>>> Urban as McCoy (almost too good a match). Really totally different
>>>> were Chekov and Scott. The latter being borderline ADHD I think.
>>>> And what was that short angry alien doing there? He reminded me of
>>>> Zathras a bit.
>>> Not his fault, but I know Urban too well from Xena, so I kept
>>> expecting him to be called "Caesar" LOL. As for his take on Bones,
>>> I thought he
>>> overdid it a little, but was *way* better than Trinnear's
>>> Bones-esque take on Enterprise. I wish they'd done much more with
>>> the little alien guy. I thought Chekov (a real Russian, no less) was
>>> hilarious.
>>
>> I do remember seeing Caesar on Xena, but for a million years I would
>> not recognize Caesar in Bones.
>
> hehehe - I kept seeing that annoying "Sylar" from "Heroes" every time
> Quinto opened his mouth. He needs to develop a separate voice for
> Spock, that greatly differs from Sylar, IMO. Everything else in his
> performance was perfect, though; even the body language.
Yes. Although I also thought that every moment he could start pointing his
index finger at somebody. :-)
>>
>>
>>>> Taking a few steps back, taking into account this is a totally
>>>> alternate universe, I have some mixed feelings about the way the
>>>> film was made. The first half seemed too loose and fast. Way too
>>>> MTV. Maybe because it is aimed at a younger age group than mine.
>>>> The second part of the movie, from Kirk's stay on that other Delta
>>>> Vega was the better half.
>>> Younger age group than yours?! We talking Dora The Explorer?
>>> Spongebob Squarepants?
>>
>> I have heard vaguely of Spongebob, and saw that image in toy store
>> windows. Those other names don't ring a bell.
>> I was born in 1966.
>>
>
> Spongebob Squarepants is the name of that image you saw. Dora The
> Explorer is a pre-school level cartoon show. In other words, the
> audiences for those shows are very young, which would be the next
> level down, IMO. :-D
Ah, okay. :-)
>
>>
>>>> As a whole it can be seen as a 'Collage Homage' to the classic
>>>> series, mixing images and sound bites from Treks past into a story
>>>> that is a bit shaky.
>>> Which I thought was cool.
>>>
>>>> I would have made two or three movies from that first half or so
>>>> (up until the Vulcan distress call) and use those to flesh out
>>>> Kirk's life in a more in depth manner.
>>> Now, I *did not* like what they did with Vulcan. Just didn't mesh.
>>
>> I didn't like that either.
>
> I'd hate for them to hit a reset button to bring Amanda back, but
> ditching her was a mistake.
Maybe Star Trek XII will be: "The Search for Spock's Mom." ;-)
>>
>>>> It starts as this sloppy homage to Trek's past and at the end it
>>>> finishes relatively well.
>>> Sounds like you enjoyed it a lot less than I did, but I think you're
>>> fair in your assessments.
>>
>> I didn't hate it. :-)
>
> hehehe - guess it could be worse.
I even look forward to the next ones.
>>
>>>> Relatively because they were not able to save Amanda and Vulcan.
>>>> But again since I consider those not to be 'our' Amanda and
>>>> Vulcan, the loss isn't felt that strong.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yeah, losing Amanda was a big mistake, IMO - just wasn't any real
>>> point to it. We know damned well Spock isn't going to implode (at
>>> least not
>>> publicly) so the dramatic effect was wanting. Sarek reacted with
>>> more emotion than Spock, which *was* interesting, but not worth
>>> losing the character of Amanda.
>>
>> It was used mostly as a story device to make Spock go crazy after
>> being provoked by Kirk.
>> That in itself was a nod to several episodes of TOS.
>>
>>
>
> Yeah, but she could have been missing; his anxiety of wondering about
> her could have had the same effect.
The way she died seemed very definitive. :-(
--
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that?
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