From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos   
   From Address: liam@valentijn.nu   
   Subject: Re: Star Trek 2009, I saw it this week (spoilers if you haven't seen   
   it yet)   
      
      
   "Steven L."  schreef in bericht    
   news:xY6dnVx3SKChaGPXnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@earthlink.com...   
   > Wouter Valentijn wrote:   
      
      
      
   >>   
   >> If you look at the scenes involving the Kelvin you see a vessel you would   
   >> not think possible for that time period. Outwardly it is reminiscent of    
   >> the   
   >> classic (non-canon) destroyer / scout configuration of the Starfleet Tech   
   >> manual of the '70's. But it seems a great deal bigger and more modern    
   >> too.   
   >> It had 800 people or more on board and scores of shuttlecraft! And what    
   >> was   
   >> a pregnant woman doing on board? Passenger? Was there an early experiment   
   >> involving family on board starships before the days of Picard?   
   >   
   > She was likely a crew member too.  In TOS, Angela Martine and Tomlinson    
   > were going to get married and keep serving aboard the Big E.   
      
   Yeah, but I assume in that time period a woman /that/ pregnant would be on    
   leave. Unless of course they were in deep deep space.   
      
   >   
   > The producers have admitted that the movie Big E is over 2,000 feet long.    
   > The engineering hull is large enough to contain an entire brewery.  :-)   
      
   More than twice the size of the original NCC 1701 and more like the length    
   of a Galaxy. Or Sovereign.   
   I wonder how many crew they had. Starship class were supposed to be the    
   biggest, badest vessels out.   
   The (smaller?) Kelvin alone had 800+!!   
      
      
   >   
   > So in this universe, the Federation and the Romulans build their ships    
   > much bigger to compete with George Lucas in that other parallel universe.   
      
   Standard ISD was a mile long with a crew of more than 50,000...   
   Abrams has a way to go. :-)   
      
   >   
   > I actually liked the bridge of the Kelvin much better than the bridge of    
   > the new Big E.  The bridge of the new Big E looked like a MacWorld    
   > exhibit--bright and perky.  The Kelvin's bridge was austere and dim like    
   > the military command center on board one of today's supercarriers.   
      
   Yes.   
      
   >   
   > I didn't like the engineering decks on either ship.  They both looked    
   > like--breweries or something.  :-)   
      
   Or a sewage system.   
      
      
      
      
   > I did NOT like the portrayal of Uhura.  She came off as a black woman from    
   > some northern American city rather than as African.   
      
   Yes.   
      
      
      
   >   
   >   
   >> Taking a few steps back, taking into account this is a totally alternate    
   >> universe, I have some mixed feelings about the way the film was made. The    
   >> first half seemed too loose and fast. Way too MTV. Maybe because it is    
   >> aimed at a younger age group than mine. The second part of the movie,    
   >> from Kirk's stay on that other Delta Vega was the better half.   
   >   
   > A major problem with the first half of the movie was how it tried to build    
   > up all the characterization of Kirk AND Spock AND Uhura, each of which had    
   > taken multiple episodes to build up in TOS and TAS.   
   >   
   > In particular, the movie raced through Spock's childhood, studying in    
   > school, being harassed by Vulcan bullies (ripped off from TAS "Yesteryear"    
   > which resembled this movie in several ways), being comforted by his mom    
   > Amanda, being warned by his dad Sarek about his destiny, why Sarek married    
   > Amanda, etc.   
   >   
   > BTW, the SFX guys who designed that monster that chased Kirk into the cave    
   > (where he met Old Spock) said that the monster's mouth was inspired by a    
   > prolapsed rectum.   
   >   
   > You've heard of vagina dentata, now meet anus dentata.   
      
   Now I have to stab out my eyes! :-)   
      
   >   
   >   
   >> As a whole it can be seen as a 'Collage Homage' to the classic series,    
   >> mixing images and sound bites from Treks past into a story that is a bit    
   >> shaky.   
   >> I would have made two or three movies from that first half or so (up    
   >> until the Vulcan distress call) and use those to flesh out Kirk's life in    
   >> a more in depth manner.   
   >   
   > In Abrams' "Lost," each separate episode focuses on a different character.    
   > The movie should have just focused on young Kirk, with a plan to focus on    
   > young Spock in the next movie.   
   >   
   > And finally: What was with all those lens flares??? Almost every scene got    
   > washed out by bright lights.  It gave a surrealistic experience, like we    
   > were watching a distortion of the future through some kind of time portal.    
   > :-)   
      
   They should do away with the flares. Agreed.   
      
   --    
   Wouter Valentijn www.j3v.net   
      
   http://www.nksf.scifics.com/startrek.html   
      
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   make out with each other.   
   Xander: Well maybe that's what's wrong with the world. Ever think about    
   that?   
      
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