From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos   
   From Address: ivanhoe@nospam.com   
   Subject: Re: Star Trek 2009, I saw it this week (spoilers if you haven't   
   seenit yet)   
      
   Wouter Valentijn wrote:   
   > Mind you, I already saw several trailers and read dozens of spoilers. It   
   > wasn't that new to me. :-)   
   > Some assumptions I made were wrong. I thought there would be only one age    
   > for Nero whilst another poster with whom I had a discussion about this said    
   > there were decades between. He was obviously right.  Advance Scout?  Those    
   > twelve hundred quatloos are transferred!   
      
      
   Wow- Thank you - I will invest them wisely   
      
      
      
   >    
   > I consider this movie to be a totally alternate timeline, only a few levels   
   > more serious than 'In the Pirkering'.   
   > When did this timeline start to splice of? I think even before Nero showed   
   > up.   
   >    
   > If you look at the scenes involving the Kelvin you see a vessel you would   
   > not think possible for that time period. Outwardly it is reminiscent of the   
   > classic (non-canon) destroyer / scout configuration of the Starfleet Tech   
   > manual of the '70's. But it seems a great deal bigger and more modern too.   
   > It had 800 people or more on board and scores of shuttlecraft! And what was   
   > a pregnant woman doing on board? Passenger? Was there an early experiment   
   > involving family on board starships before the days of Picard?   
      
      
   well the original Enterprise (Shatners Kirks Enterprise) had female    
   crewman walking around the corridors wearing mini skirts and carrying    
   tennis racquets... and you know what I always say.. where there are mini    
   skirts, tennis racquets and horny males theres gonna be sex .. and where    
   there's sex theres gonna be some kids coming along.   
      
      
   >    
   > If you think about altering the timeline of Kirk & Co.  it automatically   
   > involves changing everything they touched, not only in their regular time   
   > frame, but also in the times they will visit outside, in the past (or maybe    
   > not now in this case). The   
   > changes, how small or great they are, could start from the ice age of   
   > Sarpeidon to the mid '80's of the twentieth century.   
   > So, that might be a secondary effect of a timeline change from the moment   
   > the Narada entered the past, thus also effecting everything up to and    
   > including the construction of the Kelvin.   
   > It could be a cascade of changes. A ripple effect directly into the relative    
   > future, the natural way time flows, and indirectly the past because of the    
   > loops made by effected time travelers.   
   >    
   > The Narada... Those miners seemed to be part of a different culture than the    
   > Romulans we know about thus far. Which can be explained by the fact that    
   > most of those had been either in the military or in politics.   
   >    
   > Nero himself was total nut case. He could have used a couple of lessons from    
   > Spock when he was younger.   
   > The moment he realized he was in the past he might have chosen to head for    
   > Romulus and/or slingshot back into the future in order to use the red matter    
   > sooner! Romulus would have been saved and he would not need to seek revenge.    
   > But then again, I doubt logic was his strong suit.   
   >    
   > The red matter was a curious find for this movie. We know Romulan Warbirds    
   > are powered by a singularity but I understand this Red Matter has a    
   > different origin. I did half and half expect Sidney Bristow to show up,    
   > stopping Nero. :-)   
   >    
   > The heroes. Well, vehicular wise this was a very different Kirk. Not    
   > surprising since the focal point of the changes was his life. The same goes    
   > for most of the characters. Most close to the originals were Quinto as Spock    
   > (mostly because of his looks) and Urban as McCoy (almost too good a match).   
   > Really totally different were Chekov and Scott. The latter being borderline    
   > ADHD I think. And what was that short angry alien doing there? He reminded    
   > me of Zathras a bit.   
   >    
   > Taking a few steps back, taking into account this is a totally alternate    
   > universe, I have some mixed feelings about the way the film was made. The    
   > first half seemed too loose and fast. Way too MTV. Maybe because it is aimed    
   > at a younger age group than mine. The second part of the movie, from Kirk's    
   > stay on that other Delta Vega was the better half.   
   >    
   > As a whole it can be seen as a 'Collage Homage' to the classic series,    
   > mixing images and sound bites from Treks past into a story that is a bit    
   > shaky.   
   > I would have made two or three movies from that first half or so (up until    
   > the Vulcan distress call) and use those to flesh out Kirk's life in a more    
   > in depth manner.   
   > But I guess such a thing will never happen because that wouldn't be fast or    
   > MTV enough.   
   > Speaking of MTV, I think it was funny to hear 'The Beasty Boys'. As being an    
   > Abrams product I would expect to hear 'Drive Shaft'. :-) This however was a    
   > better choice.   
   >    
   > Bottom line: Do I regret getting this DVD (2 disc edition)? Nope! :-)   
   > Will it replace the originals? Never!   
   > It starts as this sloppy homage to Trek's past and at the end it finishes    
   > relatively well.   
   > Relatively because they were not able to save Amanda and Vulcan. But again    
   > since I consider those not to be 'our' Amanda and Vulcan, the loss isn't    
   > felt that strong.   
   >    
   >    
   I actually like the beginning and middle and found the end gigantically    
   flawed.  There is no way "our" Spock would have had the conversation he    
   had with the "new" Spock.   
      
   A) he would be aware that this conversation would only damage the    
   timeline further, creating a new Spock even further removed from his own    
   experiences   
      
   and   
      
   B)  Our Spock would do everything possible to restore the "correct"    
   timeline as he experienced it (as in: Edith Keeler must die, Jim) or as    
   in "the entire Vulcan race is not supposed to be wiped out.  Billions of    
   people are not supposed to be dead.  I must devote the rest of my life    
   to restoring the timeline to the way it is supposed to be" .)   
      
      
      
      
      
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