From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos
From Address: not@chance.dude
Subject: Re: Star Trek 2009, I saw it this week (spoilers if you haven't
seenit yet)
Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>> *snip*
>>>>>>> I consider this movie to be a totally alternate timeline, only a
>>>>>>> few levels more serious than 'In the Pirkering'.
>>>>>>> When did this timeline start to splice of? I think even before Nero
>>>>>>> showed up.
>>>>>> I think before Kirk and co. got halfway through the Academy.
>>>>> Nero showed up (in the past) before Kirk & co. got half way through
>>>>> the Academy, so yeah. :-)
>>>>> George Kirk died before his time. In the prime line he lived to see
>>>>> his son become captain.
>>>> I barely remember anything about Kirk's dad from TOS. I can't even
>>>> tell you if I heard about him in any of the eps. Was he mentioned?
>>> In the Eps? I don't think so.
>>> Only in this movie we got to know George..
>>> Before that we only knew about George through the novels...
>>>
>> I don't remember him from the movies either - was it "Final Frontier"? If
>> so, I only suffered through that one twice, and purged it from my
>> memory...
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> Nope, only in XI.
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I misread that you said it was only in this movie - enjoy your youth,
dah-ling.
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>>>>> BTW... Speaking of stardates... Here they used actual years as the
>>>>> base for stardates. Another departure from the prime line.
>>>> A welcome one for me - I never could understand those gawddamn
>>>> stardates!
>>> In TOS there was no real system to it. Only slightly sequential.
>>> Later on from TNG it became code for the 24th century (in which that
>>> played) and the season (IRL).
>>> The old Stardates did give an extra air of mystery to everything I think.
>> No, it was just annoying LOL
>>>>>>> The red matter was a curious find for this movie. We know Romulan
>>>>>>> Warbirds are powered by a singularity but I understand this Red
>>>>>>> Matter has a different origin. I did half and half expect Sidney
>>>>>>> Bristow to show up, stopping Nero. :-)
>>>>>> Heh, I didn't even catch that part - but I'll watch really carefully
>>>>>> when my DVD arrives.
>>>>> I think the red blob FX was very similar to what could be seen in
>>>>> 'Alias'.
>>>> I boycotted Alias because it was a total ripoff of "La Femme Nikita" -
>>>> they even stole a scene from LFN for the Alias pilot, that had been in
>>>> the LFN pilot! At least they were up front with their theft.
>>> At first I didn't like LFN. That Michael guy made me slightly ill
>>> whenever I
>>> saw his face.
>>> But then again there were wonderful characters like Paul and Madeline
>>> that
>>> scared the hell out of me!
>> OH, man, it's a good thing you never made that crack about Roy Dupuis to
>> any of the "Royettes" - those girls are *vicious*! They hated my guts
>> just cuz I didn't think he was attractive (just not my type) - it was
>> insane! Read this post I made to try to calm those hysterical broads down:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/ye65c24
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> Good post. You explained yourself correctly.
Thanks - they got better toward me after that, but still didn't care for
my company, since I wasn't in the "I love Roy's body" club. Good actor
IMO, but just not my taste in men - SHEESH
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>> The lady who played "Madeline", Alberta Watson, is actually a friend of
>> mine.
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> I think you mentioned that once a couple of years back or so.
Probably too many times :-)
>
>> We're still in touch, mostly through our mutual friend Cathy (Alberta
>> lives in Toronto, but always keeps a pipeline for me through Cathy) Here
>> she is, hugging my son, back in 2000 (she never touched any of the fans at
>> cons, except those of us who really were her friends as well as fans):
>>
>> http://www.wegrokspock.net/pageimages/albertacraiglcaRS.jpg
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> That's rare I think. For actors to be that close to fans.
>
It is NOW, but back then (late 90s) the LFN stars, at least, were very
up-close and personal. My son went to Nigel Bennett's ("Lacroix" on
"Forever Knight") suite to hang out with Bennett's son, since the boys
were the only children at the 2000 "Lights! Camera! Auction". He said
my son was "sweet" - he still is, actually. They didn't charge for
autographs or photos with them (they sold their own pix to sign, though
- but not for much; and you could still get something else you brought
signed for free). The fruit loops have ended those days!
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>>>>>> Now, I *did not* like what they did with Vulcan. Just didn't mesh.
>>>>> I didn't like that either.
>>>> I'd hate for them to hit a reset button to bring Amanda back, but
>>>> ditching her was a mistake.
>>> Maybe Star Trek XII will be: "The Search for Spock's Mom." ;-)
>> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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> Vincent Price away>
You're channeling Anim8 by even *thinking* that!
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>>>>>>> It starts as this sloppy homage to Trek's past and at the end it
>>>>>>> finishes relatively well.
>>>>>> Sounds like you enjoyed it a lot less than I did, but I think you're
>>>>>> fair in your assessments.
>>>>> I didn't hate it. :-)
>>>> hehehe - guess it could be worse.
>>> I even look forward to the next ones.
>> Me too.
>>>>>>> Relatively because they were not able to save Amanda and Vulcan.
>>>>>>> But again since I consider those not to be 'our' Amanda and
>>>>>>> Vulcan, the loss isn't felt that strong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, losing Amanda was a big mistake, IMO - just wasn't any real
>>>>>> point to it. We know damned well Spock isn't going to implode (at
>>>>>> least not
>>>>>> publicly) so the dramatic effect was wanting. Sarek reacted with
>>>>>> more emotion than Spock, which *was* interesting, but not worth
>>>>>> losing the character of Amanda.
>>>>> It was used mostly as a story device to make Spock go crazy after
>>>>> being provoked by Kirk.
>>>>> That in itself was a nod to several episodes of TOS.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah, but she could have been missing; his anxiety of wondering about
>>>> her could have had the same effect.
>>> The way she died seemed very definitive. :-(
>>>
>>>
>> No, I mean instead of killing her off, they could have just had her
>> missing. The moment's gone now.
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> It seems that way yes.
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*sigh* yeah.
Natalie
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