From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos   
   From Address: liam@valentijn.nu   
   Subject: Re: Star Trek 2009, I saw it this week (spoilers if you haven't seen   
   it yet)   
      
   Advance Scout wrote:   
   > Wouter Valentijn wrote:   
   >> Mind you, I already saw several trailers and read dozens of   
   >> spoilers. It wasn't that new to me. :-)   
   >> Some assumptions I made were wrong. I thought there would be only   
   >> one age for Nero whilst another poster with whom I had a discussion   
   >> about this said there were decades between. He was obviously right.    
   >> Advance Scout?  Those twelve hundred quatloos are transferred!   
   >   
   >   
   > Wow- Thank you - I will invest them wisely   
      
   Good to know.   
      
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   >>   
   >> I consider this movie to be a totally alternate timeline, only a few   
   >> levels more serious than 'In the Pirkering'.   
   >> When did this timeline start to splice of? I think even before Nero   
   >> showed up.   
   >>   
   >> If you look at the scenes involving the Kelvin you see a vessel you   
   >> would not think possible for that time period. Outwardly it is   
   >> reminiscent of the classic (non-canon) destroyer / scout   
   >> configuration of the Starfleet Tech manual of the '70's. But it   
   >> seems a great deal bigger and more modern too. It had 800 people or   
   >> more on board and scores of shuttlecraft! And what was a pregnant   
   >> woman doing on board? Passenger? Was there an early experiment   
   >> involving family on board starships before the days of Picard?   
   >   
   >   
   > well the original Enterprise (Shatners Kirks Enterprise) had female   
   > crewman walking around the corridors wearing mini skirts and carrying   
   > tennis racquets... and you know what I always say.. where there are   
   > mini skirts, tennis racquets and horny males theres gonna be sex ..   
   > and where there's sex theres gonna be some kids coming along.   
      
      
   Sounds plausible enough....   
      
   If you hear the sounds some female tennis players make on the court.....   
      
      
      
   >>   
   >> Bottom line: Do I regret getting this DVD (2 disc edition)? Nope! :-)   
   >> Will it replace the originals? Never!   
   >> It starts as this sloppy homage to Trek's past and at the end it   
   >> finishes relatively well.   
   >> Relatively because they were not able to save Amanda and Vulcan. But   
   >> again since I consider those not to be 'our' Amanda and Vulcan, the   
   >> loss isn't felt that strong.   
   >>   
   >>   
   > I actually like the beginning and middle and found the end   
   > gigantically flawed.  There is no way "our" Spock would have had the   
   > conversation he had with the "new" Spock.   
   >   
   > A) he would be aware that this conversation would only damage the   
   > timeline further, creating a new Spock even further removed from his   
   > own experiences   
      
   The 'removal' was already clear. There already was a 'new' Spock.   
      
   >   
   > and   
   >   
   > B)  Our Spock would do everything possible to restore the "correct"   
   > timeline as he experienced it (as in: Edith Keeler must die, Jim) or   
   > as in "the entire Vulcan race is not supposed to be wiped out. Billions of    
   > people are not supposed to be dead.  I must devote the   
   > rest of my life to restoring the timeline to the way it is supposed   
   > to be" .)   
      
   All they needed was a simple slingshot into the past and wait for the Narada    
   to show up. With proper precautions of course.   
   It would not be the first time an already established alternate timeline was    
   erased in favor of an 'original' (see 'Yesterday's Enterprise').   
      
   Maybe Spock Prime was too old? He could have taught his younger self.   
      
   Besides, the use of the alternate stardate system even during prime Spock's    
   time (in the relative future) indicates the whole thing was an alternate    
   timeline splicing into yet another alternate timeline..   
      
   --    
   Wouter Valentijn www.j3v.net   
      
   http://www.nksf.scifics.com/startrek.html   
      
   Buffy: This is the Initiative Xander.  Military guys and scientists do not    
   make out with each other.   
   Xander: Well maybe that's what's wrong with the world. Ever think about    
   that?   
      
   'Buffy the Vampire Slayer 4x14: Goodbye Iowa'   
      
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