From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos   
   From Address: epwise@yahoo.com   
   Subject: Re: Turnabout Intruder: my review   
      
   Graeme  wrote in news:16572373-691e-4b66-ae40-   
   d9c4aa36a44c@s9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:   
      
   > On Apr 28, 10:58apm, Wiseguy  wrote:   
   >> What fear? aWhy are we bothering Star Fleet???   
   >> As I said, they made him think nothing was wrong.   
   >    
   > And does Spock normally interject to try to tell Kirk when to call or   
   > not call Starfleet?  As he said in this episode (Turnabout Intruder),   
   > that's the Captain's job.   
   >    
      
   He wasn't telling Kirk when to call Star Fleet.  He was asking Kirk why    
   should they.  Big difference.   
      
      
   > KIRK: Mister Spock, if youAd concentrate on the areas for which you   
   > are responsible, Starfleet Command would've been informed already.   
   > SPOCK: Since the captain usually deals with Starfleet in these   
   > matters, I assumed that my suggestions might be deemed interference.   
   >    
   > So, why should he care whether or not Kirk makes an unnecessary call   
   > to Starfleet?  Why should he care enough to challenge a direct order   
   > that doesn't really concern him?  Except for the reason he indicated:   
   > fear of "bothering" them.   
   >    
      
   He wasn't challenging anything.  He was asking.  The job of a science    
   officer.   
      
        
   > It's not that complicated.  We saw the same thing again in Devil in   
   > the Dark.  McCoy laughs at Spock's silicon based life theories, and   
   > suddenly he doesn't want to talk about it any more, even when Kirk   
   > asks him to.   
   >    
      
   No, it's not complicated at all.  You have to be right even when there's    
   evidence to refute it or no evidence to support it.   
      
   Like when I told you Kirk told Mendez that he took over the Enterprise    
   from Pike and you insisted he didn't.  Even though I had a VHS copy of    
   the episode. I had to tell you three times before you believed it, if    
   you believed it at all.   
      
      
   > KIRK: Speculate.   
   > SPOCK: I have already given Doctor McCoy sufficient cause for   
   > amusement. I'd prefer to cogitate the possibilities for a time.   
   >    
   > Spock doesn't like being laughed at, or thought foolish, especially in   
   > front of his superiors.  We didn't need And the Children Shall Lead to   
   > tell us this,  It's common sense, really.  He was taunted as a kid,   
   > and goes to great lengths to maintain his demeanor.  Children didn't   
   > really tell us anything we couldn't have guessed, it's just   
   > interesting that that was the way they chose to go after him.   
   >    
      
   Which has nothing to do with the line in And the Children Shall Lead.   
   Kirk didn't suggest calling Star Fleet it was an order.    
      
   Again, rewatch the episode. Spock attempts to call Star Fleet.  He tries    
   to make his finger reach the communications button.  The children keep    
   him from doing so.  "I'm sorry, Captain, I cannot."  Not "I don't want    
   to, Captain."  It was an order.  Spock's personal feelings about making    
   the call wouldn't have mattered anyway.  If they were there.   
      
          
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