From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos   
   From Address: jax@knickersjaxtrawstudios.com   
   Subject: Re: Abrams' Trek Sequel To Be Released 29 June 2012   
      
   Led4Aces wrote:   
   > On Jan 11, 11:02 pm, "Jaxtraw"    
   > wrote:   
   >> Wickeddoll wrote:   
   >>> Anim8rFSK wrote:   
   >>> (Your Name) wrote:   
   >>> "Jaxtraw"   
   >>>>>>>>>>> "Akira Norimaki"   
   >>>>>>> Steven L. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Paramount has announced that "Star Trek 2," the sequel to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Abrams' "Star Trek" film, will be released in theaters on   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> 29 June 2012.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I've just seen the first one. The plot is really crap. "The   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> supernova that can destroy the galaxy" is something Ed Wood   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> might have write, ROTFL! The rest of the movie is average   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> at best. I really liked only Bones, to be honest.   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think this second one is gonna have my money.   
   >>>>>>>>>>> The first load of garbage didn't have my money.   
   >>>>>>>>>> Have you actually seen it?   
   >>>>>>>>> Oh dear, here we go. Another dipstick to add to the killfile.   
   >>>>>>>>> :-\   
   >>>>>>>> Yep.   
   >>>>>>> You killfile just for asking if you've seen the flick? That   
   >>>>>>> seems really unreasonable to me.   
   >>>>>> I know where it's heading and I've already been around this   
   >>>>>> circle far too many times to bother wasting any more time with   
   >>>>>> another idiot like that.   
   >>>>> But I liked ST: 2009, and you didn't killfile me. Wouldn't it be   
   >>>>> better to just say you're not willing to discuss it, than to   
   >>>>> killfile out-of-hand? I know you and Anim8 will never see the   
   >>>>> flick, but don't you think   
   >>>>> others may ask the same question? Do you think that automatically   
   >>>>> means they're a troll?   
   >>   
   >>>> No. Jaxtraw is a known troll, trolling. He's killed for his past   
   >>>> history, not his current lame trolling attempt.   
   >>   
   >>> OK   
   >>   
   >> Well, this is ridiculous. I mean, if Anybody and Anim8rFSK (the man   
   >> who always could have done the FX better if he was asked to, but   
   >> bafflingly Paramount never phone him up) want to not read my posts,   
   >> that's up to them. But "known troll"? Do these folks even have any   
   >> idea what the term "troll" means?   
   >   
   > Anim8 is becoming more and more unhinged every year. The fact that he   
   > has thrown in with a jag-off like Your Name (Anybody) speaks volumes   
   > about his character (or lack thereof)  He lives in some bizarro world   
   > where he is the world's greatest FX guy and his opinion is the only   
   > one that matters. A bitter old fool.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> I've had shedloads of various debates and discussions on this ng   
   >> over the years with people, and then somebody who spends *every   
   >> post* slagging off Star Trek- and then it turns out they haven't   
   >> even seen the damned movie(!)- wants to call *me* a "troll"?!   
   >   
   > Jaxtraw is clearly not a troll. The way it works around here is this;   
   > Anim8 calls everyone he disagrees with a troll. 'Your Name' just   
   > screams the same crap over and over about re-booted Trek not being   
   > 'real' Trek and Hollyweird and blah blah blah. He's an unintelligible   
   > bore not worth a bucket of spit..   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Why am I annoyed about this? The man's a known nutter. He does the   
   >> same shit on the BSG group, only turning up to say how it isn't   
   >> really BSG and slag it off. But no, oh no, that's not trolling, is   
   >> it?   
   >   
   > Yes it is, to non-nutters.   
   >>   
   >> But somebody who says they like the thing and wants to discuss it in   
   >> a positive way, that's fucking trolling, is it?   
   >   
   > No it isn't.   
      
   Well, I just find it incredible that people would have the gall to slag the    
   thing off when they haven't even seen it. It's like those moral guardians    
   who demand that something be banned with the "No, I haven't seen it myself,    
   but I'm told it is disgusting" line.   
      
   I went to the movie not really knowing what to expect, though hoping for    
   something enjoyable. My sister and I went together as an echo of our going    
   to see The Motion Picture together in 1979 (I was 13 then, sheesh I feel old    
   now). And, we enjoyed it, and went to see it again a few days later. It's    
   entertainment, it's just fiction to be enjoyed, and maybe it'll be good and    
   maybe it won't be, but that's all it is.   
      
   Besides all else, we never know whether we'll like something until we've    
   watched it. I expected The Dark Knight to be great, but I was disappointed    
   (for me, it was OK but nothing special). I expected to like Sin City but    
   stopped watching out of disinterest after 15 minutes. OTOH, I didn't expect    
   anything much from Apocalypto, but was gripped throughout and it's now one    
   of my favourite movies.   
      
   It seems to me that people like Anim8 and YN/Anybody have just lost touch    
   with what entertainment is. I wonder if they can actually enjoy any Star    
   Trek at all, or if they're so wrapped up in the "canon" thing they've just    
   completely lost touch with it being entertainment.   
      
   Whatever, I liked the movie. Damned if I'm going to be called a troll for    
   saying so :)   
      
      
   Ian    
      
      
   --- Synchronet 3.15a-Linux NewsLink 1.92-mlp   
    * Origin: Zen Internet (1:2320/105.97)   
   --- SBBSecho 2.12-Linux   
    * Origin: telnet & http://cco.ath.cx - Dial-Up: 502-875-8938 (1:2320/105.1)