From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos   
   From Address: dhatunen@cox.net   
   Subject: Re: Define "alien"   
      
   On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:47:55 -0700, Anim8rFSK wrote:   
      
   > In article   
   > <8d22e91e-f642-4aa5-a9e7-5b0b24adc352@y16g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,   
   >  Jerry Friedman  wrote:   
   >    
   >> On Aug 13, 11:11-apm, Steve Hayes  wrote:   
   >> > On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:18:28 -0700 (PDT), Duggy   
   >> >  wrote:   
   >> >   
   >> >   
   >> >   
   >> > >On Aug 13, 9:37-apm, Akira Norimaki  wrote:   
   >> > >> Duggy wrote:   
   >> > >> > On Aug 12, 10:19 am, ToolPackinMama    
   >> > >> > wrote:   
   >> > >> >> OK, so, I say in TOS, "alien" means "not of our world". You?   
   >> > >> > So Kirk in the latest movie, not born on Earth, is by your   
   >> > >> > definition an alien?   
   >> >   
   >> > >> Technically, no. He was born in outer space but he's not from   
   >> > >> outer space and he was raised on earth. You may say one human is   
   >> > >> an alien if it's born and raised on another planet. I mean "Marcus   
   >> > >> Cole" is, to some degree, an "alien". I used "Marcus Cole" - from   
   >> > >> B5 - 'cause I don't have similar examples in the ST universe. I'm   
   >> > >> pretty sure there are though.   
   >> >   
   >> > >I wouldn't call a human of terran decent alien whether they ever   
   >> > >visited Earth or not.   
   >>    
   >> I think most or all of the science fiction I've read uses "alien" the   
   >> way you do.   
   >>    
   >> > Illegal aliens are a problem in Australia; ask any aboriginal.   
   >>    
   >> There are similar problems in your country and mine.   
      
   > The big objections people make in Arizona to the phrase 'illegal alien'   
   > are towards the 'illegal' part.  They'll either complain that 'human   
   > beings can't be illegal' or - I love this one - people will write in to   
   > the paper constantly complaining 'why do you call them illegal aliens,   
   > they haven't broken any laws!'   
      
   I reckon the fuss about calling them "illegal" is a bit silly; some    
   people call them "undocumented"  but I have no problem with "illegal",    
   myself. Although passports or similar documentation is now required to    
   enter the USA, there are no visas actually issued for most Mexicans and    
   Canadians; once their passport is shown and checked they can freely walk    
   or drive across. They are legally in the USA but are undocumented.   
      
   It seems to be true that we have a lot of "illegal" Mexicans wandering    
   around Tucson, and I reckon a lot of them came to visit Tia Maria and    
   just never left.   
      
   Not generally realized is that it is *not* a crime to be in the USA    
   without proper papers. Rather, it is an "administrative infraction". this    
   has the advantage of allowing expeditious deportation through an    
   administrative hearing. Were the immigrant charged with a crime, the full    
   constitutional protections would be required, such as reading Miranda    
   rights, incarceration to await a trial and possible bail, access to legal    
   counsel, etc.   
      
   It is a crime to enter the USA by certain means intended to avoid customs    
   and immigration, such as climbing over the fence. But I suspect the    
   authorities might sometime decide to only address the lack of    
   documentation and avoid the fuss of a trial. But someone who enters the    
   country on a visa and overstays isn't guilty of a crime.   
      
      
      
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