From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos   
   From Address: ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net   
   Subject: Re: Define "alien"   
      
   In article    
   <8d22e91e-f642-4aa5-a9e7-5b0b24adc352@y16g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,   
    Jerry Friedman  wrote:   
      
   > On Aug 13, 11:11apm, Steve Hayes  wrote:   
   > > On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:18:28 -0700 (PDT), Duggy    
   > > wrote:   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > >On Aug 13, 9:37apm, Akira Norimaki  wrote:   
   > > >> Duggy wrote:   
   > > >> > On Aug 12, 10:19 am, ToolPackinMama  wrote:   
   > > >> >> OK, so, I say in TOS, "alien" means "not of our world".   
   > > >> >> You?   
   > > >> > So Kirk in the latest movie, not born on Earth, is by your definition   
   > > >> > an alien?   
   > >   
   > > >> Technically, no. He was born in outer space but he's not from outer   
   > > >> space and he was raised on earth. You may say one human is an alien if   
   > > >> it's born and raised on another planet. I mean "Marcus Cole" is, to some   
   > > >> degree, an "alien". I used "Marcus Cole" - from B5 - 'cause I don't have   
   > > >> similar examples in the ST universe. I'm pretty sure there are though.   
   > >   
   > > >I wouldn't call a human of terran decent alien whether they ever   
   > > >visited Earth or not.   
   >    
   > I think most or all of the science fiction I've read uses "alien" the   
   > way you do.   
   >    
   > > Illegal aliens are a problem in Australia; ask any aboriginal.   
   >    
   > There are similar problems in your country and mine.   
   >    
   > I recently went to a presentation on cultural diversity, and one   
   > speaker criticized the phrase "illegal alien" because for him, "alien"   
   > is E. T.  (He also thought it advisable to repeat the fiction that the   
   > Spanish word "indio", meaning "American Indian", comes from Columbus's   
   > use of the phrase "in Dios".)   
   >    
   > --   
   > Jerry Friedman   
      
   The big objections people make in Arizona to the phrase 'illegal alien'    
   are towards the 'illegal' part.  They'll either complain that 'human    
   beings can't be illegal' or - I love this one - people will write in to    
   the paper constantly complaining 'why do you call them illegal aliens,    
   they haven't broken any laws!'   
      
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