From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos   
   From Address: hayesstw@telkomsa.net   
   Subject: Re: Define "alien"   
      
   On Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:21:22 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Friedman   
    wrote:   
      
   >On Aug 13, 11:11apm, Steve Hayes  wrote:   
   >> On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:18:28 -0700 (PDT), Duggy    
   >> wrote:   
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   >>   
   >> >On Aug 13, 9:37apm, Akira Norimaki  wrote:   
   >> >> Duggy wrote:   
   >> >> > On Aug 12, 10:19 am, ToolPackinMama  wrote:   
   >> >> >> OK, so, I say in TOS, "alien" means "not of our world".   
   >> >> >> You?   
   >> >> > So Kirk in the latest movie, not born on Earth, is by your definition   
   >> >> > an alien?   
   >>   
   >> >> Technically, no. He was born in outer space but he's not from outer   
   >> >> space and he was raised on earth. You may say one human is an alien if   
   >> >> it's born and raised on another planet. I mean "Marcus Cole" is, to some   
   >> >> degree, an "alien". I used "Marcus Cole" - from B5 - 'cause I don't have   
   >> >> similar examples in the ST universe. I'm pretty sure there are though.   
   >>   
   >> >I wouldn't call a human of terran decent alien whether they ever   
   >> >visited Earth or not.   
   >   
   >I think most or all of the science fiction I've read uses "alien" the   
   >way you do.   
   >   
   >> Illegal aliens are a problem in Australia; ask any aboriginal.   
   >   
   >There are similar problems in your country and mine.   
      
   Indeed that is so, and a lot of other places too.    
      
   >I recently went to a presentation on cultural diversity, and one   
   >speaker criticized the phrase "illegal alien" because for him, "alien"   
   >is E. T.  (He also thought it advisable to repeat the fiction that the   
   >Spanish word "indio", meaning "American Indian", comes from Columbus's   
   >use of the phrase "in Dios".)   
      
   Around here there are often campaigns against alien vegetation.   
      
   I gather one of the most hated exotics is Port Jackson willow, though I   
   wouldn't recognise one if it fell on me.    
      
   Our city is famed for its jacarandas, and the more enthusiastic of the   
   vegetational xenophobes had to be restrained from chopping them all down.    
      
      
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