From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos   
   From Address: jerry_friedman@yahoo.com   
   Subject: Re: Define "alien"   
      
   On Aug 13, 11:11apm, Steve Hayes  wrote:   
   > On Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:18:28 -0700 (PDT), Duggy    
   > wrote:   
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   > >On Aug 13, 9:37apm, Akira Norimaki  wrote:   
   > >> Duggy wrote:   
   > >> > On Aug 12, 10:19 am, ToolPackinMama  wrote:   
   > >> >> OK, so, I say in TOS, "alien" means "not of our world".   
   > >> >> You?   
   > >> > So Kirk in the latest movie, not born on Earth, is by your definition   
   > >> > an alien?   
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   > >> Technically, no. He was born in outer space but he's not from outer   
   > >> space and he was raised on earth. You may say one human is an alien if   
   > >> it's born and raised on another planet. I mean "Marcus Cole" is, to some   
   > >> degree, an "alien". I used "Marcus Cole" - from B5 - 'cause I don't have   
   > >> similar examples in the ST universe. I'm pretty sure there are though.   
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   > >I wouldn't call a human of terran decent alien whether they ever   
   > >visited Earth or not.   
   I think most or all of the science fiction I've read uses "alien" the   
   way you do.   
   > Illegal aliens are a problem in Australia; ask any aboriginal.   
   There are similar problems in your country and mine.   
   I recently went to a presentation on cultural diversity, and one   
   speaker criticized the phrase "illegal alien" because for him, "alien"   
   is E. T.  (He also thought it advisable to repeat the fiction that the   
   Spanish word "indio", meaning "American Indian", comes from Columbus's   
   use of the phrase "in Dios".)   
   --   
   Jerry Friedman   
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