From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos   
   From Address: ryon@dslnorthwest.net   
   Subject: Re: "Tholian Web" Notes (K/S) [Humor, commentary]   
      
   On Sep 25, 1:57apm, Ron  wrote:   
   > On Sep 24, 9:14apm, yep wrote:   
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   > > On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 17:03:51 -0700 (PDT), Ron    
   > > wrote:   
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   > > >On Sep 22, 1:14aam, yep wrote:   
   > > >> McCoy was insubordinate. aSpock should have immediately put McCoy on   
   > > >> report. aAfter that, the brig.   
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   > > >> On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 01:51:31 -0400, ToolPackinMama   
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   > > >>  wrote:   
   > > >> >Tholian Web Notes   
   > > >> >by Laura Goodwin   
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   > > >> >This is a great episode for Spock fans, because Spock is the star of   
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   > > >> >episode, and at the center of all the action. Even more delightful,   
   > > >> >Spock acts like a steely, logical, buttoned-up, _proper_ Vulcan the   
   > > >> >whole time.   
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   > > >> >This is especially remarkable, since Spock is relentlessly bedeviled by   
   > > >> >Dr. McCoy through the whole misadventure. Normally McCoy can get a rise   
   > > >> >out of Spock, but NOT TODAY.   
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   > > >> >This is not a good episode for McCoy fans. The relationship between   
   > > >> >Spock and McCoy is spotlighted, and it clearly is not a happy   
   > > >> >relationship. McCoy is nasty, cruel and unsupportive to Spock, pretty   
   > > >> >much through the whole thing. His bare-knuckled ugliness is not only   
   > > >> >painful to watch, but it's clearly unjustified and utterly   
   > > >> >unprofessional, to boot.   
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   > > >> >McCoy has never been harder on Spock, but strangely, Spock's never   
   > > >> >stayed cooler. This is remarkable, and demands examination.   
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   > > >> >As we saw in Journey to Babel and other episodes, Spock is a   
   paradoxical   
   > > >> >creature. He's never more logical and relentlessly unemotional than   
   when   
   > > >> >he is using his Vulcan mental disciplines to cope with huge emotional   
   > > >> >stresses. We've rarely seen Spock so stone-faced and mechanical as we   
   do   
   > > >> >in this episode. Anyone who knows Spock well knows that he gets like   
   > > >> >that when he's coping with a horrendous emotional blow or strain.   
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   > > >> >What blow or strain? Well, what's the whole episode about? Spock and   
   > > >> >Kirk are separated. Kirk's life is in danger. Spock risks absolutely   
   > > >> >everything, tries absolutely everything, and almost loses everything,   
   > > >> >including the crew and ship - because he adamantly refuses to give up   
   on   
   > > >> >Jim. Even after he has formally declared Jim to be dead, he refuses to   
   > > >> >give up and leave without him. That, my friends, is not logical - and   
   > > >> >McCoy tries to draw our attention to the fact that it's not logical,   
   > > >> >several times.   
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   > > >> >Spock's behaving logically, but he's not motivated by logic. Obviously   
   > > >> >he's motivated by love for Jim. His love for Jim, his desire to try   
   > > >> >anything, everything, in a wildly improbable attempt to rescue Jim -   
   > > >> >even if it costs everything... is nothing new. This insane, obsessive   
   > > >> >degree of devotion is a hallmark and linchpin of the Kirk/Spock   
   > > >> >relationship.   
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   > > >> >There is no heterosexual "romance" for even a second in this episode,   
   > > >> >nevertheless it is a fiercely romantic episode. Spock spends the entire   
   > > >> >episode obsessing about Jim Kirk: trying to save Jim's life, trying to   
   > > >> >be reunited with Jim. Blah, blah, blah alternate universes. Blah, blah,   
   > > >> >blah Tholians threaten the ship.   
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   > > >> >Boy visits derelict ship with boy, boy and boy are separated by bizarre   
   > > >> >circumstances, boy moves heaven and earth to get boy back, even long   
   > > >> >after it seems logical to try - that's basically the plot. Boy gets boy   
   > > >> >back... that's the happy ending.- Hide quoted text -   
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   > > >Right... Put the chief medical officer in the brig... during an   
   > > >emergency... and a medical emergency at that. aThen, too, there's the   
   > > >matter of rank; Spock was acting captain but still only a commander by   
   > > >rank and I know i have seen McCoy give orders to security (The   
   > > >Menagerie, I think) so I'm guessing at this point, Spock and McCoy are   
   > > >both of the same rank even though McCoy is not normally in the chain   
   > > >of command. So I don't think he _could_ file charges like that even if   
   > > >it wouldn't be both illogical and a foolish thing to do given the   
   > > >circumstances. a;-)   
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   > > >Ron   
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   > > I didn't say eliminate the entire medical department, just slap the   
   > > schmuck chief medical officer who is PMS'ing. aYou really think Kirk   
   > > would just sit there and let McCoy rip him a new asshole and question   
   > > every command he gave like somehow being a Southerner made him an   
   > > expert on anything besides losing a civil war? aHell, no. aMcCoy   
   > > pushed it WAY over the line. aThe acting captain is GOD ALMIGHTY to   
   > > that ship and outranks ANYONE on the vessel...as proven when Kirk   
   > > ORDERED Spock to take command and relieve Commodore Decker. a   
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   > That was a special circumstance that would never happen again. Dekker   
   > was about to do somthing suicidal with *Kirk's* ship and crew. Dekker   
   > technically out-ranked Kirk and if he was giving sane, responsible,   
   > orders, Kirk could do nothing about it-- until he got back on the   
   > Enterprise. But the commodore was clearly a nutcase   
   > about to destroy the E the same way he got his own ship destroyed, and   
   > Kirk had every right as the ship's captain to protect his ship and   
   > have Dekker relieved of command. Kirk probably would have been court-   
   > martialed if he *didn't* relieve Dekker and the Enterprise was   
   > destroyed... assuming anybody was left to charge our good captain.   
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   > Read Shatner's book, Ashes of Eden, where Captain Sulu is being given   
   > direct orders by Starfleet's C&C who is one of the few remaining   
   > members of the Cartwright conspiracy and somebody who hates Kirk with   
   > a passion. Sulu had to reluctantly follow all of his orders until they   
   > could hold a hearing to determine the legality of those orders.   
   >   
   > But McCoy, as CMO, has a right to question Spock's actions just as he   
   > has a right to question Kirk's. Remember in Conscience of the King,   
   > McCoy said he was writing a log entry and the captain HAD to come up   
   > with a damn good answer in his. Even Kirk backed down. Nobody is above   
   > the CMO when the doctor feels that person is acting irrationally.   
   > Starfleet set up checks and balances so no starship captain can go and   
   > do any damn thing he (and later, she) felt like doing. Acting captains   
   > are no exception. a;-)   
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   Also keep in mind, McCoy apologized to Spock as he had done to Kirk in   
   the Corbomite Maneuver. And Spock said what the good captain would   
   say, "Forget it, Bones."   
   Ron   
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