From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos   
   From Address: epwise@yahoo.com   
   Subject: Re: The Way to Eden: my review   
      
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   > "Graeme"  wrote in message    
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   > On Mar 2, 7:45 am, Wiseguy  wrote:   
   >> It's only complicated because you make it complicated.  The Cage was   
   >> filmed. It existed.  Whether it was broadcast is irrelevant.   
   >    
   > By that standard, it's canon that Spock likes Tootsie Pops, and   
   > watches girly videos through his viewer, because we see him indulging   
   > in both those things in the blooper reel.   
      
   No, I'm talking about finished products.   
   Blooper reals are jokes.  Too bad if you can't tell the difference.   
      
      
   > But if push came to shove,   
   > most people would probably say no, because that was discarded footage   
   > that was never released. (Although now that you mention it, I kind of   
   > like both those ideas and wouldn't mind canonizing them).   
   >    
   > Also that Spock is a smoker from an old film reel copy of the cheesy   
   > cowboy ep (name escapes me for the moment) in which somehow contained   
   > two frames where one could clearly see Nimoy standing in the   
   > background leaning against a set screen (obviously not realising he   
   > was on camera) puffing away.    
   >    
   > But even today, who knows what trims and unused footage might be in   
   > the vaults somewhere that we never saw?  Are we really to think that   
   > it's all canon, even if it later gets destroyed unseen?  That's kind   
   > of a stretch.   
   >    
   > Another grey area, is a few scenes in Star Trek:  The Motion Picture.   
   > Most of the new footage they added for the special edition was new   
   > footage.  But in a couple of cases, they replaced one version of a   
   > scene with a different version of the same, with an extra line or two   
   > added in (such as the scene between Kirk and McCoy in Kirk's   
   > quarters).  For a while, the original version was hard to get hold of,   
   > because the expanded edition was the one released on videotape.  But   
   > when they put out the remastered version on DVD, all the discarded   
   > footage from both earlier versions was included as an extra.    
   >    
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   There was only one Cage.  Parts of it were shown during Menagerie.     
   There is nothing in either episode that negates or contradicts the    
   other. (The only thing you might argue about is the final scene from    
   Menagerie that shows Vina and Pike together and say this changed the    
   original.  Actually it is two different scenes one that happened while    
   Pike was Captain and one while Kirk was Captain.  They just used the    
   same footage because it would have been impossible (and unnecessary) to    
   refilm it.)  Mentioning other episodes/movies is besides the point.  I    
   was only speaking of The Cage/The Menagerie.  Mentioning Spock smoking    
   is really ridiculous.  It wasn't supposed to be caught on film (while    
   all scenes of The Menagerie/The Cage were) and it was Leonard Nimoy    
   smoking not Spock.  Again, if you can't tell the difference, too bad.     
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